KLR650.com

woot...it works :lol:

You sir, are a pot stirrer! :lol:

I forget who it was but they got that out of their system also. I tried to post that on the other site myself and it came up **********. It took me awhile but I finally figured it out.

You sir, are a pot stirrer! :lol:
Thank you...I'd be offended if I thought I was as anything less:)

You sir, are a pot stirrer! :lol:

isn't he the original??

should we ask to have avatars on this site? :lol: :lol: :lol:

isn't he the original??

no. :twisted:

KLR650.com

Freedom of speach is one thing, steering members is another, depending on which side of the line it falls, will determine if it stays or goes.

It's a site that sells merchandise for the KLR. The other website is KLR 650 .net which is the forum. The fourm admin would ban certain sites based on his personal dislike of a company. Whether or not they'd advertise with him, or they sold products that were outsourced. Doesn't matter. What you are seeing here is people being able to type a URL freely without it showing up as asterks on the screen.

www.klr650.com

Ahhhhh

And I still love the tank panniers they sell..
:wink:

Sounds like someone needed a sugar tit and people still use this forum you mention? The differences in the way people run their sites still amaze me.

Actually, I think it was more of a really hard headedness..
I do give Glenn credit for the fact that he did the things he stands for.. Unfortunately, sometimes a lot of people dissagree with his choices.. His site, his choice.. I respect him for that..

But if one looks at it as my site, my choice, then why start a forum where you are obligated to keep your members happy, and ultimately move in the directions the membership would like to move. I mean without members its just a page.

But if one looks at it as my site, my choice, then why start a forum where you are obligated to keep your members happy, and ultimately move in the directions the membership would like to move. I mean without members its just a page.

Guess why I'm here, rather than over there... :wink:

You want pot stirring? I just ORDERED something from **************, err, I mean www.klr650.com. :twisted:

Biker Scout


It's a site that sells merchandise for the KLR. The other website is KLR 650 .net which is the forum. The fourm admin would ban certain sites based on his personal dislike of a company. Whether or not they'd advertise with him, or they sold products that were outsourced. Doesn't matter. What you are seeing here is people being able to type a URL freely without it showing up as asterks on the screen.


It was always stated about .com stealing other venders product ideals and having them made "cheaper" (cost and quality). Even copying some items and undercutting price.

Which I always thought competion was a good thing for the consumer.

Now I think it was Tammy that Glenn had the problem with, and blocked her site out of spite,(or personal reasons). After she started having problems with her health and her orders he opened her site up.

For what ever the reasons were, that was on the "other" site and that water has already went over the dam, we can now look forward to all the water comming down stream.

it's now a much gentler time......

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anyone else see the :twisted: in that stream pic? :shock:

Now that you mention it. Yea I do. Makes me wonder about Joe. :lol:

It's a site that sells merchandise for the KLR. The other website is KLR 650 .net which is the forum. The fourm admin would ban certain sites based on his personal dislike of a company. Whether or not they'd advertise with him, or they sold products that were outsourced. Doesn't matter. What you are seeing here is people being able to type a URL freely without it showing up as asterks on the screen.

And it was very confusing for us newbies to know what was going on---I didn't know what was going on in Rainier Toms thread filled with asteriks-it was like a secret language -that whole thread--then after adding enough of it up and figuring out it was about posting websites I got freaked and thought--I have told the girls on there where to look for gear and such-I'll just quit posting till I figure all the unwritten rules out--that's why I like it here--up front-straightforward-doesn't seem to be any unwritten rules. :) Kay

And it was very confusing for us newbies to know what was going on---I didn't know what was going on in Rainier Toms thread filled with asteriks-it was like a secret language -that whole thread--then after adding enough of it up and figuring out it was about posting websites I got freaked and thought--I have told the girls on there where to look for gear and such-I'll just quit posting till I figure all the unwritten rules out--that's why I like it here--up front-straightforward-doesn't seem to be any unwritten rules. :) Kay

I agree. I went there looking for good info - and there is a wealth of it there - but then got a really bad feeling when I saw that. His site, his right, but it didn't make me very happy. I was affraid I was going to just have to lurk and not participate.
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Now that you mention it. Yea I do.

Huh??... I dont see nothing but a babbling brook making lil water tinkling sounds as its going over the ro.....Um ..ah.. i got to go use the potty NOW !.

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Huh??... I dont see nothing but a babbling brook making lil water tinkling sounds as its going over the ro.....Um ..ah.. i got to go use the potty NOW !.

you see him now? MUHAHAHAHAHAHAA

:twisted:

:shock:

great..... never saw it... I just typed waterfalls, and thats what showed.
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It's a site that sells merchandise for the KLR. The other website is KLR 650 .net which is the forum. The fourm admin would ban certain sites based on his personal dislike of a company. Whether or not they'd advertise with him, or they sold products that were outsourced. Doesn't matter. What you are seeing here is people being able to type a URL freely without it showing up as asterks on the screen.

Gee.. isnt it lovely to visit this site for the first time and see people talking bad about me and saying things that are inaccurate.
For one thing, the ONLY site blocked is klr650.com. You also say that I'd ban a company based on whether or not they'd advertise with me, what a crock.

BikerScout, this is not the first time you've posted inaccurate information.. but you've stooped pretty low this time.
I see Jason Haynes owns this site. Wasnt your first name Jason?

You have a conflict of interest. I do-not have advertisers, just a google ad.
The .COM site was blocked due to COMPLAINTS they were ripping off Happy Trails products. They did not fabricate a damn thing, what they did was buy the Happy Trails products.. ship them over-seas, and had inferior lighter gauge copies made. Be your own judge.

You guys complaining about freedom of speech are being ridiculous.
HAPPY TRAILS AND OTHER COMPANIES DO-NOT HAVE TO MAKE KLR ACCESSORIES. If companies like MASH get much better at ripping them off they may stop making parts PERIOD.

You're trying to be problematic, that's what it boils down to.

It's a site that sells merchandise for the KLR. The other website is KLR 650 .net which is the forum. The fourm admin would ban certain sites based on his personal dislike of a company. Whether or not they'd advertise with him, or they sold products that were outsourced. Doesn't matter. What you are seeing here is people being able to type a URL freely without it showing up as asterks on the screen.

Gee.. isnt it lovely to visit this site for the first time and see people talking bad about me and saying things that are inaccurate.
For one thing, the ONLY site blocked is klr650.com. You also say that I'd ban a company based on whether or not they'd advertise with me, what a crock.

BikerScout, this is not the first time you've posted inaccurate information.. but you've stooped pretty low this time.
I see Jason Haynes owns this site. Wasnt your first name Jason?

You have a conflict of interest. I do-not have advertisers, just a google ad.
The .COM site was blocked due to COMPLAINTS they were ripping off Happy Trails products. They did not fabricate a damn thing, what they did was buy the Happy Trails products.. ship them over-seas, and had inferior lighter gauge copies made. Be your own judge.

You guys complaining about freedom of speech are being ridiculous.
HAPPY TRAILS AND OTHER COMPANIES DO-NOT HAVE TO MAKE KLR ACCESSORIES. If companies like MASH get much better at ripping them off they may stop making parts PERIOD.

You're trying to be problematic, that's what it boils down to.

There's a reason people are coming here, and it isn't what BikerScout said or says here that caused them to search out the place. Most probably don't even know what is said here when they decide to go looking for some other place. Your anger is misguided and perhaps some introspection might be in order if you truly want to know "why".
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this is heading in the wrong direction. inflamitory!!!

Let go ahead and get this stragiht

I am Jason Haynes and this is my site. I own it, and I operate it. Now that we know you can figure out how to do a who is. This site has been here for over a year and the activity started within the last few days.

Apparently something was wrong with your site otherwise this site would still be idle. If you want a battle, pick a fight on your own site. I dont want the garbage here. The PM function (Private Message) might be worth checking out, DO NOT AIR YOUR PROBLEMS ON MY BOARD.

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it might be short lived...

sure sound like it.

Glenn, any inaccuracies being described are your fault for not being upfront with the members. What I posted was what I was able to gather from other people's posts on the subject. Yeah, heresay and all of that, but because of the environment that was allowed cultivate over there misinformation and rumor-mongering turns into "fact".

I didn't know the details and my description was trying to be fair and open given the limited information I had and thought to be true and accurate. According to many who have been on that site long ago.

And what's the deal with Group Buys? There's nothing wrong with them, but apparently that's another inside joke, hush hush, no-no, converstation that newbies can't bring up.

If you are so busy with your new job and don't have time to really deal with the site and internal struggles going on over there, then you need to deligate some duties to a disinterested party with no affiliation to the KLR guys. Popping in every now and then to check your PMs is not running a site. You allowed the site to run itself and therefore "Lord of the Flies" syndrome took over and it turned into a free-for-all over there.

I like your site and it's content... many of the members are cool and informative. But what I'm not going to say is what a wonderful job you are doing and pat you on the back like so many people seem to do. There's a lot of puckering going on as if you are passing out cookies. We all know you are busy, and have a real life. That takes center stage to running a forum. That's the plain simple truth. You really need to pick a direction you want the forum to go and find the people who can make things happen and enforce your goals. Just letting things run their course is a bad policy.

The thread has gone far afield from the intial post - which was indeed an attempt to stri things - am I right, Tom? :)

Several issues, IMHO. The copy thing and associated url, is one. It's a fine line, too. If your stuff was being copied, I think one or two of the people that spoke up might think differently. It does matter if it's your toes being stepped on, or someone else's. Kinda like "major" or "minor" surgery. :) For the record, Glenn had that policy in place before I was on the forum. And yes, they've copied some of my stuff. And yes, I've sold them some stuff. :?

The group buy thing was documented in a couple of threads. A guy joined the forum, said he and a relative needed a fork brace. He wanted to get a group buy going so he could get a better price. I also saw the same guy post on the FJR forum, the same day, saying the same thing. Someone else googled him, and found out he was selling forkbraces - on his website, as well as other stuff. He was a vendor, wanting to get a big order together, not just another guy. When he was found out, he got upset with being "outed", and had an attorney send a letter to the hosting company for the forum. The hosting company shut down the forum without investigation. Personally when I see the group buy thing, I wonder if the leader of the buy is getting some compensation - because I've seen it so often. When I see a newmember want to initiate a group buy, the red flags are flyin'!

all the best,

Mike

See, that sounds like too much drama to me. I like things simple, and on occasion I do manfacture/machine goods in limited quantites. So my aim is never to mass market a product but really to fill my needs, and if I need to make several hundred so it costs me little to no money for my part I don't see anything wrong with that.

But unscrupulous vendors are everywhere now days, and we've just got to learn the hard way who is who... this is where forums are great at spotting scams and unsavory business practices. If someone company took a product that I've poured hours of machine time into and had it outsourced and sold at a discount, I'd probably be upset. But if it really was an issue, I should be more upset with myself at not taking the proper steps to legally protecting my designs. But that's life and business. If you were to design the 100 mpg carburator Shell would step all over your toes and there'd be nothing you could do about it. Sometimes it's not worth the legal battle or financial risk to protect something that's easily reproduced.

Product protection is an interesting area. I've taken a couple of classes on patents, etc. What might be legal, is not always ethical. Some people make a living riding the line between the two. Like I said, if/when it happens to you, you have to make a decision. It's not always easy, and sometimes downright unpleasant.

all the best,

Mike

I like the idea of designing a product and selling the rights to it. Fidling with the everyday manufacture can get old and becomes "Work". I'm more of an "invetor" type and would grow tired of repetition. I'd have to move on to something else. So, for me I can say, "Eh" and move on. But I can understand the heartache of being emotionally invested into a product only to find it on a Harbor Freight shelf.

I've invented many items in the past where I just never went through with the manufacturer or patent steps, and a few years later see it show up in Popular Science. The disposible Digital Camera was my idea back in '96, had one made and everything. You can pick one up at Longs, Rite Aid, Walgreens now for $20. Bummer. :x I also have sketches of Air Pockets in the forefoot of a shoe's sole (rather than the heel) that I scribbled out in church notes back in '88. 5 years later, that was all the rage. How about an MP3 Player that works inside a Tape Deck, like the CD Player converters?

I'm used to product disappointment. :oops:

Another thing I think I should add... I feel it makes more of a difference when a vendor or manufacturer shows a presence on these kind of sites. Builds a credible reputation and interacts with the members. Taking a more proactive approach leads to a stronger clientel and more word of mouth sales than just straight advertising alone. Look at how many people praise Fred at ArrowheadMotorSports.com... and EagleMike as well. They take the time to listen, and interact with their core audience. No B.S. and are straight shooters from the word go.

Like for myself, if I come up with the next must have "Farkel" (I hate that word) I know that I'd have some people who would buy it from me. Because I've invested the time to be courteous, helpful and informative.

Most people have no idea of the kinds of things I've had to endure, a BS lawsuit threat from a government employee who was making money while at work, to crap in general. The vendors on the board can relate. Nobody likes their product stolen out from under them, and if I can help guys like Mike and Fred (Fred being a LEGIT business person), I'll do it. I'm a straight up kinda guy and I don't like thieves or BS.

The thread has gone far afield from the intial post - which was indeed an attempt to stri things - am I right, Tom? :)

Several issues, IMHO. The copy thing and associated url, is one. It's a fine line, too. If your stuff was being copied, I think one or two of the people that spoke up might think differently. It does matter if it's your toes being stepped on, or someone else's. Kinda like "major" or "minor" surgery. :) For the record, Glenn had that policy in place before I was on the forum. And yes, they've copied some of my stuff. And yes, I've sold them some stuff. :?

The group buy thing was documented in a couple of threads. A guy joined the forum, said he and a relative needed a fork brace. He wanted to get a group buy going so he could get a better price. I also saw the same guy post on the FJR forum, the same day, saying the same thing. Someone else googled him, and found out he was selling forkbraces - on his website, as well as other stuff. He was a vendor, wanting to get a big order together, not just another guy. When he was found out, he got upset with being "outed", and had an attorney send a letter to the hosting company for the forum. The hosting company shut down the forum without investigation. Personally when I see the group buy thing, I wonder if the leader of the buy is getting some compensation - because I've seen it so often. When I see a newmember want to initiate a group buy, the red flags are flyin'!

all the best,

Mike
You are correct as usual Mike. Glenn....no offence but I'd put my my stainless steel HT clone rack up againt the HT carbon steel rack any day of the week. Made in China...sheesh. Your socks are probably made in China. I wonder how many American workers THAT put out of business?

Let's stop the bickering. Hey...we now have 2 excellent KLR forum sites (assuming Glenn will do away with censorship and the rep point shit). Glenn. Forums such as the KLR forums are established as a meeting place to exchange ideas, help one another, post great deals and in general have a Hell of a good time (which I assure you..I did on your site.) Remember my first day on your forum? I had just quit a Australian telescope forum the nite B4 because of censorship and I join you forum and within minutes something I posted was censored. I was pissed and I did everything I could think of to make you ban me...which you did. I got no problem with you bud :)

Uh Oh...this site has censorship also :cry: Hmmmm....thumpertalk???

There is censorship when need be, and profanity is not allowed here. Its just plain respect to those who dont care for it.

There is censorship when need be, and profanity is not allowed here. Its just plain respect to those who dont care for it.
Thank you for making up my mind for me klr650. I guess I'll just have to watch prime time TV so I can hear those words. Please delete my profile. Better yet...go ahead and ban my IP addy 'cause rest assured...I WILL be a thorn in your side. See ya folks....somewhere...Laterz

Politically correctness is all fine and dandy but a majority of the people in the world get on the internet to escape their uptight, straightlaced, p.c. world they live in at work day by day.
Going somewhere on the net that is the same way is defeating the whole purpose.
Where is the fun in that? Besides the fact no one is really being themselves and diversity is what makes the world go round. Second guessing everything you say and type because you are worried about offending this person or that person is going to get real old real fast.
There are too many different personalities here to co-exist in a nirvana like state forever.
There is a reason why ADVRIDER is so successful. There is such a diverse group of people there who enjoy that daily escape without a cybernanny over their shoulder controlling their every move. Posting porn seems to be the biggest no-no over there and most everybody understands that and appreciate all the other freedoms they are granted there.

I for one cannot hang out in a place where I am not allowed to be myself and are forced to smile and agree with everyone all the time. That's not me, never has been and never will be!

So along with RANIER TOM, go ahead and remove my profile from this sight as well.
I'm not going to be needing it. That will make a few people here happy anyway!
Hopefully GLENN will be up and running again soon enough and some of us realists can breath a sigh of relief once again!

SAYONARA!!!

No one said you can't be yourself... not allowing profanity is not the end of the world. You have to understand that it's a business decision. Forums can make more money if their ranking is high acording to net nannies and cyberbots that crawl around looking for reasons to add a site to a "List". As some of you have already experienced, you cannot access .net at work because of the profanity.

This site aims to be an alternative source for KLR info... work safe even.

So if you really think you're being stiffled because you can't subconsciously type profanities, then good riddens. If you have no self control while typing, what does that say about your personality? Get a grip... would you like it if I came over to your livingroom and left a steamy pile on your shag carpeting, and stated it was my constituitional right to express myself in any manner of my choosing? Then get pissed off at you for showing me the door?

People like it in here, it's calm and relaxing. And we can all keep our feet off the coffee table without having to be told so.

No one said you can't be yourself... not allowing profanity is not the end of the world. You have to understand that it's a business decision. Forums can make more money if their ranking is high acording to net nannies and cyberbots that crawl around looking for reasons to add a site to a "List". As some of you have already experienced, you cannot access .net at work because of the profanity.

This site aims to be an alternative source for KLR info... work safe even.

So if you really think you're being stiffled because you can't subconsciously type profanities, then good riddens. If you have no self control while typing, what does that say about your personality? Get a grip... would you like it if I came over to your livingroom and left a steamy pile on your shag carpeting, and stated it was my constituitional right to express myself in any manner of my choosing? Then get pissed off at you for showing me the door?

People like it in here, it's calm and relaxing. And we can all keep our feet off the coffee table without having to be told so.


It's been real!

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chicagodoggo,
Here's Biker Scout's membership line.

7 Biker Scout Kalifornication 22 Jun 2006 106 2

Been longer than 3 days, since he joined in June..
I'm not standing up for Biker Scout, either.. It's not his rules... It's the site owner's rules..

Also, Biker Scout was nominated buy users for the position..

Actually, I'm guessing that he hasn't altered a post yet.. KLR650's software has done it..

I know.. There's no such thing as a perfect site.. You have no idea how much I wish there were.. I'll take not swearing over moderator favoritism anyday..

Second guessing everything you say and type because you are worried about offending this person or that person is going to get real old real fast.

Um.. this here dont make any sense to me.

You do that everyday..no? do you talk like that to your mother/father/wife?? Other friends wife/family... people walking down the street?

I just fail to see that this is ok... :?


If thats what ya want to do, then go do it.. knock yourself out. Just not here, where it's not welcome.

We'll respect a person more if they just left..... at least ... I will.

nobody will ever confuse me with being a mr.clean..
i am constantly surprised that being asked to use common respect is a threat to ones sense of freedom of speech.some will feel antagonized no matter what, i guess.

I just re-registerd over there because I have made some girl riding friends and want to keep in touch and I think Glen generally has a great thing over there--but I am confused ---I agreed to this when I registered--you had too to register---I copied and pasted this-


By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.



--what part of this is any different from here other than it doesn't say anything about cussing-are all these guys that are having fits here going to bend those rules over there-ignore them-reminds me of a KID that dated our daughter in highschool and couldn't abide our curfew rules--he said "That's not me and I won't pretend to be something I'm not" well, my hubby told him in not exactly these terms "to pretend his butt on down the road then" and don't come back.
It's not about lying to yourself or pretending to be something you are not-it's about manners ,ethics and respect. And it doesn't hurt any of us at any age to be reminded sometimes we need to abide those things for the better good. Kay

I think it's a great idea that he stuck that on the register location, or where ever he put it..
The rules need to be laid out for some, and documented to cover Glenn's butt.. I'm guessing that some who pulled up stakes here today are going to be bummed out by that agreement, but if it's needed to keep the peace, so be it...

I mentioned before, if you want that type of posting where almost everything's fair game, go to ADVRiders.. They thrive on it in JoMomma.. It's fun to play the game, but unfortunately, some over there aren't playing, and instead are just plain mean..

The only way that everybody could be happy with forum rules is by everybody having their own forum, and only allowing themselves to post in it.. As soon as you have another personality involoved, you have a chance for conflict.. Unless it's me.. I'm nice to everybody... :lol:

I don't know what's going to happen with Glenn's site. Only he and people he's informed of it do.. I hope it works, and I really hope that all that info wasn't lost.. Can you imagine the hours that were invested in that info?? :cry:

Second guessing everything you say and type because you are worried about offending this person or that person is going to get real old real fast.

Um.. this here dont make any sense to me.

You do that everyday..no? do you talk like that to your mother/father/wife?? Other friends wife/family... people walking down the street?

I just fail to see that this is ok... :?


If thats what ya want to do, then go do it.. knock yourself out. Just not here, where it's not welcome.

We'll respect a person more if they just left..... at least ... I will.

Joe, you know I don't allow that type of stuff. I havent had the time to monitor things as closely as before...
There will be some new rules in effect.

I bid $5 for this site. It's for sale you know. :P

Yep, he let us know right up front. One of the 1st posts. Looking forward to your site getting all well again!
Jamie

Joe, you know I don't allow that type of stuff. I havent had the time to monitor things as closely as before...
There will be some new rules in effect.

I didnt think you did. As you have been gone more and more it got worse. And as I have quoted someone else here, they seem to think your "ok" with that. I'd (and you confirmed) hoped that you wern't.
As I said before, I have appreciated your Forum. ( I hope you had/have a chance to read my '2,000 post') And all the time you had put into it. Not to mention all the other contributors.
Glad your able to do a 'do over'...

- Joe

I just dont understand all this. Having the ability to sit at a desk, and with a few clicks have a whole world of knowledge available on any given subject is just an incredible privllege we all have. Each forum we can enter is possible because someone has put a lot of time and effort into creating it and has invited us in. Once in, we can benefit from all the knowlage, contribute what we can, and come and go as we please. If we become uncomfortable with a forum or no longer enjoy it, for whatever reason, it seems to me we should be thankful of what we gained while there and quietly seek another source of information and entertainment. Seems to me that complaining in " public " about the rules of someones house of knowlage is a self centered, me, me act. Do we enter a house as a guest and complain because they dont allow us to smoke inside or we dont like the way the furnature is arranged ?? Have we all forgotten how fortunate we are to have forums of all kind available to us ? I just dont understand all this. Jeff.

Anyone that feel like they have been ripped off by censorship, may find it easier to leave. If you use tha language censored here at work, with customers, with family and friends etc. then you live one heck of a lifestyle.

If you are looking for the internet to be a keyboard tuff guy you may find your welcome at another page. If you cant express yourself without being offensive, then think about it, no one really wnats to hear it.

So it may be a good idea that you find a lesser board, maybe your other site, It seems to be allowed. So enjoy.

It seems to me that people might go to a forum looking for information on a vendor before they buy. They may lurk a bit and do a search or two. If the vendors name has been blocked, the potential buyer will see nothing bad and is unlikely to know the secret code to unlock the mystery. To most people, no news is good news. Bad advertisement travels 11 times faster and farther (this is documented and if you want to verify it do it for yourself because I really don't care if you believe me) than good advertisement and it seems if you really wanted to put the hurt on a company like klr650.com you'd allow their name and their links be posted unedited right along with the complaints.

Just something to ponder.