Upper Engine Rattle - Sounds like pepple boucing around - Kawasaki KLR 650 Forum
1987 to 2007 Wrenching & Mods For maintaining, repair or modifications of Generation 1 KLR's. 2007 and earlier.

 2Likes
  • 1 Post By pdwestman
  • 1 Post By Paul Gardner
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 9 Old 09-10-2017, 08:42 PM Thread Starter
Neutral
 
coloradoman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Colorado
Posts: 4
Upper Engine Rattle - Sounds like pepple boucing around

First time poster, but avid reader. My father gave me his 2001 KLR650 (14K miles) which had been collecting dust for the last 3 to 4 years. I'm by no means a mechanic, but have been able to fix just about anything with the use of youtube videos and forums such as this.

To resurrect the motorcycle from the dead, I re-built the carburetor, replaced the battery, changed the oil, brake fluid, coolant, replaced the the front and rear sprockets, chain, rotors, and brake pads. While I had the motorcycle taken apart I also performed the 22 cent mod and doohickey upgrade.

Everything seems to be running great, except there's a strange rattle coming from what sounds like the upper engine. It's sporadic and happens more regularly at higher speeds. The best way to describe it is it sounds like a pebble bouncing around.

I know diagnosing a sound is very hard without seeing/hearing it yourself, and I feel like I've read every thread about noises, rattles, clings, clangs, clunks etc, but I'm still at a loss.

Here's the interesting thing, the sound only happens when in motion. Even if the motorcycle is OFF. It's definitely speed related, but I find it interesting that the motorcycle doesn't need to be on. In fact, when I rev the motorcycle in neutral, I don't hear it. Even when I raise the rear tire and shift through the gears with my bike in the garage, I can't hear it either. But when I ride the bike with the engine on or off, I hear it...and it can get pretty loud at times. It starts making the rattle after about 15MPH and gets more frequent the faster I go.

I've checked the chain multiple times thinking it's got to be the chain, but it seems to be good. Sprockets and chain are brand new and I'm pretty sure the slack is correct and rear tire is aligned properly. Plus the sound seems to be coming from the upper part of the engine.

So there you have it. That's about everything I know about the rattle and hoping to high heaven someone can identify it based on my super long thread (sorry).

Your help would be greatly appreciated! I posted some picture of her on my profile if you'd like to see the transformation.
coloradoman is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 9 Old 09-11-2017, 11:25 AM
OverDrive
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Lander, Wyoming
Posts: 5,631
The drive chain Needs to be loose Enough (when on side stand or center stand/work stand) to be lifted up and touch the rear tip of the rubber under-slider around the swingarm. Looks very sloppy to the un-initiated.

And you may have Lost the inner spacer between the rear sprocket hub and the wheel hub. Very common error for new owners/mechanics.
Paul Gardner likes this.

pdwestman
Modify at "YOUR OWN RISK"!

Still riding my 1987 KL650-A1. 85,000+ miles & counting
pdwestman is offline  
post #3 of 9 Old 09-11-2017, 06:52 PM
1st Gear
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Olympia, WA
Posts: 33
That's probably a much better guess pdwestman. I was going to guess speedometer cable or gear.
Paul Gardner is offline  
 
post #4 of 9 Old 09-11-2017, 07:11 PM Thread Starter
Neutral
 
coloradoman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Colorado
Posts: 4
Thanks for the advice pdwestman! I'm going to check the spacer when I get home. I'm sure hoping I don't see it and that's the cause of the rattle. I'll report back once I have a chance to take a look. The chain slack is probably good as I can touch the rubber as you suggested.
coloradoman is offline  
post #5 of 9 Old 09-12-2017, 02:21 AM Thread Starter
Neutral
 
coloradoman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Colorado
Posts: 4
Had a chance to look at the motorcycle tonight and the inner spacer is installed. Any other ideas? Paul, what did you mean by the gear?
coloradoman is offline  
post #6 of 9 Old 09-12-2017, 11:10 AM
OverDrive
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Lander, Wyoming
Posts: 5,631
OK, next up I will suggest that you remove the rear brake fluid reservoir from the frame.
Then starting at the cylinder head, tighten the exhaust header nuts to 15-16 ft lb, then the mid-pipe support by the carb, then the 2 muffler mounts, then the muffler to header pipe clamp which was hidden by the brake reservoir.
Finally we try to tighten the header pipe heat shield and muffler heat shield.

Did you by any chance remove the top engine mount when doing the carb? Did you tighten it, even if you didn't remove it? Check all engine mounts and main fairing mount on the steering neck.

Were the new brake rotors OEM or some sort of riveted 'floating disc' aftermarket design? Did you Loc-Tite their bolts?

15 mph and above / speed related, probably ought to have the wheels spin balanced.

pdwestman
Modify at "YOUR OWN RISK"!

Still riding my 1987 KL650-A1. 85,000+ miles & counting
pdwestman is offline  
post #7 of 9 Old 09-12-2017, 11:10 AM
1st Gear
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Olympia, WA
Posts: 33
I know the speedometer cable or the gear inside the hub on the front wheel can make noise if it's going bad. Specifically, some have had the speedometer parts on the front wheel mis-aligned after removing and re-assembling the front wheel causing the speedometer to stop working and could cause a noise. My 09 started making a strange ticking noise that I noticed as I slowed almost to a stop recently, and it turned out that my speedometer cable was on the verge of breaking (and it finally did).
outdoorgb likes this.
Paul Gardner is offline  
post #8 of 9 Old 09-12-2017, 11:05 PM Thread Starter
Neutral
 
coloradoman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Colorado
Posts: 4
Thanks again westman. I don't think I'll be able to work on the bike until this weekend, but I'll take your advice and tighten down all the bolts you mention. I have not removed the top engine mount...but that's where the sound appears to be coming from. I've heard you should check the valves from time to time. Do the valves move when in motion even if the bike is off? Any chance the rattle would be a valve out of adjustment?

Thanks for your suggestion as well Paul. I'll check the speedometer cable and gear on the front wheel to make sure this isn't where the noise is coming from.

Very appreciate of you guys taking the time to give me suggestions!
coloradoman is offline  
post #9 of 9 Old 09-13-2017, 10:37 AM
OverDrive
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Lander, Wyoming
Posts: 5,631
Yes, intake and exhaust valve tappet clearances should be checked and adjusted as needed at least every 10,000 miles.
No, the intake and exhaust valves do not move/operate with a dead engine.

I'll ask you to check the lower LH sub-frame bolt near the top chain run. If someone accidently installed a replacement which maybe only 2 or 3 threads longer than needed it may touch the tips of the chain master link occasionally or even frequently. Especially with rider on board and suspension slightly loaded. May not touch with bike up on work stand.

pdwestman
Modify at "YOUR OWN RISK"!

Still riding my 1987 KL650-A1. 85,000+ miles & counting
pdwestman is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Tags
clacking, noise, pebble, rattle, sound

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Kawasaki KLR 650 Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Unhealthy clutch/engine sounds after upgrade boots 1987 to 2007 Wrenching & Mods 0 08-27-2017 12:51 PM
need tq specs for the front engine mount nuts & upper rear subframe bolts klrcott 2008+ KLR650 Wrenching & Mod Questions 2 10-13-2016 07:16 AM
2001 sounds like a diesel at 26000 miles any thoughts nygee1981 1987 to 2007 Wrenching & Mods 31 04-21-2015 11:48 AM
Strange Sounds hugegladiator 2008+ KLR650 Wrenching & Mod Questions 22 07-16-2008 11:46 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome