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post #41 of 56 Old 09-07-2019, 12:17 AM
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Ok tom, here we go,im a first gen mecanic, from 1993 i had 16 years. in 95 looking for more power on mi engines, the klr blue one is my own ,i bought 4 years ago, like every one, i was wanting for more power, i comes limitaded in main jets, exaust and cdi, , if i put a big bore kit is almost the same thing, you cant. Have all power( limitaded for emision gases and minus power ) so i weld looking to have more larger magneto sensor tab(pista) taking out the engine limiter, lose a little but more revs and minus vibration at 3500 rpm, i will explane it has the same mufler, mainjets ,cdi(original) and evething and runs like hell the only thing i put a 16 teeth front and rear 43 now ,it doesnt brake ,the fork twist(need a fork brace) and doestn get hotter or consume oil ,anything else need the klr to compite to de v strom650 or bmw, or another brand! My aportation for the world( try it ,what you have to loose?)
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¿Puede proporcionar detalles y una descripción paso a paso de lo que hizo? Todavía estoy un poco confundido.

Un rotor se parece a un Gen 1 con una pieza de metal más larga. ¿Utilizaste el CDI chino con esta parte?

El otro parece un rotor 2012+. ¿Usaste un Gen 2 con este?

Llamamos a la caja de encendido Gen 1 un CDI. El Gen 2 se llama TCBI. Transistor Controlled Breakerless Ignition

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¿Puede proporcionar detalles y una descripción paso a paso de lo que hizo? Todavía estoy un poco confundido.
Yo, tambien.

I wonder . . . is the Chinese "CDI" an actual CDI, or . . . a version of an Inductive Discharge Ignition (as in, stock Generation 2 ignitions)? Regardless, CDIs and IDIs use ignition coils with different characteristics, for optimal operation (maybe both will work with either coil, but the impedance mis-match may exact a price).

Don't want to be excessively pedantic (Moi? Moi? Miss Piggy's voice.), but the CDI ignition coil works more as a TRANSFORMER, while the IDI ignition coil functions more as an INDUCTOR.

Again, maybe either ignition coil works with either ignition discharge system without noticeable performance difference.

Still . . . the respective ignition coils have different electrical resistances . . .

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Magneto original de klr650 modificado, se aumentó pista 8mm para mover avance y dar los 38 grados en altas Rev. En vez de 30grados originales, tiene el CDI original , como lo trae el klr 600 y la KTM

Original magneto of modified klr650, reluctor bar was increased 8mm to move dvance and give 38 degrees at full advance, instead of the original 30 degrees It has the original CDI, as used by the klr 600 and the KTM
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Moto gen 1, con magneto y instalación eléctrica de gen2 , recortada la pista de magneto para trabajar con CDI( corriente directa)d.c fabricación china y se modificó la instalación para que pudiera funcionar, a lo que se responde la pregunta ,si se puede trabajar la gen2 con un CDI(corriente directa) chino, en teoría hay un chino que debe funcionar para no recortar el magneto solo haciendo las conexiones apropiadas

gen 1 motorcycle, with magneto and electrical installation of gen2, cut the reluctor bar to work with a Chinese DC CDI and the installation was modified so that it could work, to which the question is answered, if you can work the gen2 with a Chinese DC CDI, in theory there is a Chinese CDI that must work without the need to cut the reluctor bar, just making the appropriate connections
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Confecciones de CDI(gen2) a chino

Preparations for using the Chinese CDI.
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Like damocles ask, tes you can adapt a Chinese, ,the conections are diferent , and tes you can use the same coil, the thing is the pulse of CDI goes ti the coil, and the positive of the coil goes ti de positive of CDI , and the other cable of the coil goes to earth ir negativo there are some pics of the conections , im sure there os a CDI than can fit without modificare the magneto tab, It can be the sach 125 madass CDI (d.c)IMG_20190909_231804_1568089932660.jpg
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Muchas gracias por las explicaciones! Ahora tengo muy claro lo que hiciste.

Algunas personas aquí han usado el magneto Gen 2 en el Gen 1.

Están tratando de obtener más energía eléctrica del alternador. Descubrieron que obtendrían un mal fallo de encendido si no acortaban la barra reluctora.

¡Su enfoque para cambiar a un gran avance de encendido es muy interesante!

Gracias por compartirlo.

Thank you very much for the explanation! Now I am very clear what you did.

Some people here have used the Gen 2 magneto in Gen 1.

They are trying to get more electric power from the alternator. They discovered that they would get a bad misfire if they did not shorten the reluctor bar.

Your approach to creating an ignition with greater advance is very interesting!

Thanks for sharing.

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Chinese CDI,d.c (for gen2) conections but you hace to reduce the magneto tab later i upload a video on you tube working
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Ahora, nosotros sabemos los tamanos [little squiggly thingy over the "n"] de AC y DC CDIs. DC es mas grande, por que lo necescita un inverter para AC.

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Clear!

Now we know the sizes of AC and DC CDIs. DC is bigger, because it needs an inverter for AC.

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