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post #1 of 33 Old 02-14-2011, 12:25 AM Thread Starter
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Stock 2009 KLR - Help with KLX needle, jet, screw, exhaust, and L-mod

I'm a new guy whose been reading up a lot, but finally decided to post and ask for some help. I bought a new 2009 KLR-650 last spring when they were discounting them at the dealership. Man, has it been a fun machine! Before the KLR I had a 650 V-Strom, and although the Strom is one great bike, the KLR is so much better off road. So I've been very happy with the change to the KLR.

Being winter I've decided to do some basic mods to the bike, and because I started down this path, here's where I'm at, and what I'm hoping to hear back from you folks on for help trying to get the right general setup on my fuel and air and the rest of the mods too.

I took the plastics and tank off to paint it satin black a few days ago. I' just finished the paint tonight! While I have the plastics and tank off I'm hoping to learn about what may be the best try for the combination of mods I might be needing for what I have.

Everything I have right now is stock – I'm hoping to improve the bike for some better engine and throttle performance, cold weather gear (high watts) power use, and better stability at speed.

1) KLR Needle Mod Help – I have the needle and several jets on either side of the stock on order and coming in the next few days. I assume I need advice on which jet to pick if the stock needs changed, and which position to place the KLX needle in for the first trial. I also assume I need to change the air mixture screw by drilling the cap off it, and rotating it out from bottom, anywhere from 1 and ĺ turns, to 2 and ľ turns, but don’t know which position is recommended. The forum members recommend drilling the slide vent hole out too with a 7/64 drill bit.

2) L-Mod Advice – I can and will do the L-Mod if it's advised?

3) Frugal Exhaust Mod or wait to buy a SuperTrapp? - I'd love to buy a new exhaust but I have a inexpensive insert coming, that has a spark arrestor in it, which if used, will allow me to hole saw the back of the stock exhaust and remove the existing baffles and install it, but only if it's advised by you guys? Or – I could wait and buy a decent after market exhaust, like the SuperTrapp-ISD2-Quiet that Tom Schmitz is running. As a note, I have not been able to see any kind of smog control wires or vacuum hoses – at least not anything on the bike right now! I live in Washington State.

Some other things I'm doing over this next month, are progressive springs, and a fork brace to help stabilize her a bit at speed I hope! A 16 tooth front gear for some long pavement based trips this summer. I have ordered and will be replacing all of bikes traditional light bulbs (except the 2 headlight bulbs), with LEDs from Superbright. I'm doing that to save watts as I need to get setup to run a Gerbing jacket (75 watts) and gloves (23 watts) to help me extend the riding season up here in the frozen freekin' north.

The biggest challenges I think I have is what to do with the KLX needle height, mixture screw, jet size, exhaust options and L-mod choices. I'm a total newb on this stuff, and any help will be AWESOME!

Anyhow, thanks to everyone for the existing help that's already findable in the forums on google, and any advice anyone has on these mods that I'm doing now.

Thanks again!

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UPDATE: I did not end up using my KLX needle. I did the standard 22 cent mod instead. I did not do any exhaust mods either. Here are a couple of pics from the complete numbered image sequence of the 22 cent mod. The whole numbered image sequence procedure set can be found in the link below these next couple of pics. Thanks much to everyone for the great help on this mod.




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The entire 2009 KLR-650 22 cent carburetor mod - numbered image sequence can be found here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6054519...7626115057601/

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pics of the stripped down bike

Here's a few pics of the original bike, the stripped down bike, and the before and after - painted plastics and tank (see them drying in my bathroom slash vented paint-drying-booth) Ready now for carburetor, air box and exhaust mods.
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First, welcome to the forum. I hope you enjoy it here.

It sounds like, if you want to do the carb mods, you're on the right track. If you haven't already, you might want to check out our Common Mods thread and read up some more on the KLX needle and the L-Mod.

The KLX needle, with it's more aggressive taper, is going to need a one-size-smaller-than-stock jet. The usual starting place, I believe, is with the clip in the second groove from the top. Fine tune from there based upon an evaluation of the Air/Fuel ratio.

As to the L-Mod, it isn't required unless you mod the exhaust. You may want to yank the snorkel out of the aft end of the air box and stay with that.

I don't run the SuperTrapp any more. It was embarrassingly loud. I've moved on to something that is at least within normally accepted limits for noise.

Candidly, doing the 22 cent mod or the KLX needle is going to get you most of the performance gains that are to be had without spending large sums of money. Everything after that is beyond the knee of the curve. And, yeah, my bike is down right now because I've sent the jug and head off for the 685 mod and a ported, big-valve head. Doh!

The only reason to go for an after market exhaust, in my opinion, is to lose weight. Once you've gone to an after market exhaust you will need to tune for it and that will involve doing the L-Mod.

Now, the mod for the stock exhaust... no comment, as I have no experience. There are a couple of guys here who have and I'm sure they'll ring in with their experience.

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Your bike, but . . .

What are your EXPECTATIONS with the KLX needle and re-jetting?

In comparison with, say, adjusting your fuel screw (ca. 1.75 turns out), drilling your slide (7/64" diameter vacuum port), and shimming your stock needle (1-# 4 washer)?

As you're aware, going to the KLX needle and a handful of jets opens Pandora's box to a host of possible combinations, none offering more than marginal, at best, gains over a neo-stock carburetor tuned to provide a near-optimum air/fuel ratio.

Without an exhaust gas analyzer, or a calibrated throttle-chop plug-reading eyeball (not sure even those work, with Ethanol fuel), how will you know you're "there," with the KLX needle and jet assortment?

As to the exhaust mods . . . just want to make some more noise? Again, your call, but . . . I don't think there's much to gain, performance-wise, by fooling around with th stock exhaust. (I'd extend that opinion to aftermarket exhausts on neo-stock bikes as well, but . . . those who've spent several hundred dollars on their plumbing might strongly disagree.)

How's your bike running, in stock condition? I'm not saying, entirely, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," but--I'd suggest you take a serious look at your EXPECTATIONS, before attacking your carburetor's configuration on what is essentially a stock bike.

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Hi there A-M. Welcome aboard. You have a pretty respectable list of upgrades on your to-do list. You've had some good view points shared with you so far.....all I can offer is an echo. Personally, I have more experience bringing these bikes back closer to stock after someone else tried to soup them up. They just aren't a bike that is enhanced with "loud". We have some ways of killing "Tweety". I'm not convinced that the horse power gains claimed by adding after market intake and exhaust upgrades are consistently verifiable. The ".22 mod" does wake up throttle response, improve starting, and I believe, gives me a cooler running engine by doing away from the lean setting from the factory. The average KLR rider isn't going to truly appreciate the $450.00 it costs to lose 8 pounds of extra fat off of a 400 hundred pound, too tall, too top heavy bike by going to an after market exhaust.

I would urge you you to consider doing the ".22 Mod", ride it like that for a thousand miles. If you "need" more bottom end torque, try an $8.00 14 tooth counter sprocket. If you "need" better road performance, buy an $8.00 16 tooth counter sprocket. For under 20 bucks in sprockets, you can achieve most of what $1000.00 in intake / exhaust upgrades will gain you. But don't feel bad. There are other, more beneficial places to spend that grand.....like the suspension.

Whatever you do, welcome to the mayhem, ride your own ride, keep the pictures and reports coming.

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Thanks much Tom, for the great advice. I will do some more reading on those mods, and listen to some more feedback from the group.
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Thanks for the feedback - I hear your advice Damocles. My expectations are to learn from the group before I proceed. I'm on the bottom end of the learning curve right now, and appreciate all of the feedback.
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Thanks Vatrader, I may not have to do much, from what the group is saying at this time. It would be nice to save money and or work on the exhaust mods for sure by leaving it stock if possible.
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Hello,
seems like you are on the exact path that I was on when I bought my 2009. As everyone above mentioned, the carb work is worthwhile. I went with a jet/needle kit from JD Jetting and opened up the airbox. I am extremely pleased with the results and thought that it was absolutely worth the time/effort. I tried to create a post to help out a bit- hope it helps you with your mods. Lots of opinions on this, but if I had to do it again, I would buy the jet kit all over again without hesitation- contains everything you need with several jet/needle combinations. Instructions were perfect.

http://www.klrforum.com/showthread.php?t=9228&page=2

As for stability, many will recommend, and rightly so, a new front fender and a fork brace. The bike drifted on the freeway- especially in the wind. Installed a fork brace and an Acerbis supermoto fender and it feels great now. Wind doesn't seem to be a big problem and the bike doesn't steer itself.

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Thanks much KLR-zin - that link was one of the best ones I've found on the mods. That's a huge help.
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