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post #1 of 12 Old 07-22-2011, 07:14 PM Thread Starter
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Karc ?

What do you guys think of the Karc? Is it a ticking time bomb like the Doo? I wonder how hard, my bike would be to kickstart without it. Could i disarm it by pining it open, to see how hard it is to start my bike without it {i have had500cc mx 2 strokes}? I want to try some new cams, they won't have the Karc. I don't want to buy them, then find out i can't start my bike . Any advice would be more than welcome. Thanks in advance Peter.
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post #2 of 12 Old 07-22-2011, 09:01 PM
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Since virtually no one (besides yourself) has a kick-starter on his KLR650, Peter, how can we possibly answer your question with any validity?

You can surely disable your KACR (removing a spring or two is the trick, I think) and try it yourself.

I'm not sanguine about the prospects; the lever, gear reduction, etc., were all designed around the premise of a working KACR. Without the device, could be a hard row to hoe, inviting kick-back injury, etc.

Regardless, don't see how a trick cam would be of any significant consequence regarding cranking, with or without electric starter/kick starter, with or without KACR. The additional stress of stronger valve springs, higher lift, and steeper ramps on a trick cam should be overcome with nominal cranking force, I'd imagine.
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post #3 of 12 Old 07-22-2011, 09:03 PM
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4 strokes tend to be a lot tougher to kick than a 2 stroke of any comparable size. Not saying it can't be done. I've read a few posts where the KACR was removed and the motor started fine (650 w/e-start) and yet others that had issues get it to turn over. I've only heard of one or two failures of the KACR so I don't think it's much of a time bomb.
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Instead of pinning the KACR open, wouldn't removing the spring do the same thing? -Tom.

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Re: Post # 2, above.

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Instead of pinning the KACR open, wouldn't removing the spring do the same thing?
Just ME, or is there an ECHO in here?
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post #6 of 12 Old 07-23-2011, 06:50 PM Thread Starter
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Just ME, or is there an ECHO in here?
Hello....Hello.....Hello . Thanks guys i am going to unhook the spring, and see what it's like. Cheers Peter
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post #7 of 12 Old 07-23-2011, 08:47 PM
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A friend of mine had an XT500 that I was thinking of buying once. If I recall correctly it had a compression release on it and some kind of a little window that you had to line up a mark with before you kicked it? My memory is really foggy because it was so long ago, (and I might have been drunk at the time) but I do recall it kicking back at me once and nearly knocking me over . I'd be curious to see how you make out with the 650. I think if this works out for you Kawasaki should seriously consider hiring you for product development!

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Gday Stew i will report back, on how i get on. Cheers Peter
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post #9 of 12 Old 07-24-2011, 01:34 AM
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I once owned a Suzuki SP600 that had a decompression lever. I bought it used and kick-started it for a long time without even realizing I wasn't using the decomp lever right and it wasn't even doing anything. I would just pull the lever in and kick it.

Turned out, (as I discovered when I finally found a manual) you had to pull the lever in, then slowly kick down on the kickstart until the lever popped back out, then let the kickstarter back up to the top and then kick it.

I noticed the difference once I had enough sense to use the feature as it was designed and it was a little easier, but I never had any trouble kick-starting it without even decompressing the engine.

Two different engines here and I don't want to claim you won't have any trouble kick-starting the KLR with the compression release disabled or removed based on this anecdote, but I kind of doubt you would as long as you consider yourself "stout."



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post #10 of 12 Old 07-24-2011, 08:15 AM Thread Starter
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Gday Planalp i think i might be in with a chance. If i can kick it without the Karc, that would be great. The last Harley i had was kick start only. You could stand on the kick starter of that bike, and it wouldn't move .
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