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post #1 of 33 Old 05-23-2012, 04:31 PM Thread Starter
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Excessive oil burning

Have a friend with an '08' that was visibly burning alot of oil this weekend. Enough that he added 2 qts of oil midway through the ride. Naturally we were thinking the worst, broken ring etc. But he said there was no change in power and the temp gauge ran normal. Oh, it only has 2800 miles on the bike.
I was thinking that maybe he simply overfilled the motor before the ride then he added the extra oil before allowing the bike to stand still and allowing the oil to settle down in the crankcase and showing up in the window.

Question, is it possible that by over-filling with oil that the crank and piston will come around during the down-stroke and picking up abunch of oil and depositing it on the cylinder wall during the up-stroke causing this oil burning situation? Or am i grasping.
I haven't talked to him since the ride
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Have a friend with an '08' that was visibly burning alot of oil this weekend. Enough that he added 2 qts of oil midway through the ride. Naturally we were thinking the worst, broken ring etc. But he said there was no change in power and the temp gauge ran normal. Oh, it only has 2800 miles on the bike.
I was thinking that maybe he simply overfilled the motor before the ride then he added the extra oil before allowing the bike to stand still and allowing the oil to settle down in the crankcase and showing up in the window.

Question, is it possible that by over-filling with oil that the crank and piston will come around during the down-stroke and picking up abunch of oil and depositing it on the cylinder wall during the up-stroke causing this oil burning situation? Or am i grasping.
I haven't talked to him since the ride

Drain plug in?

Excess oil will blow out the crankcase vent. Check the airbox.

It would be smoking like mad if it burned that much oil in one ride.

The motor only holds 2.5 qts. If it was 2 qts. low the motor is probably damaged. Pull the valve cover and look at the cam journals.

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UPDATE to the oil burning issue.
So my friend took his bike into the local Kawi shop. Upon their evaluation it was determined that lack of correct air filter maintenance lead to a breakdown of internal engine components (guess they mean the rings), and will not be covered by the factory. Without receipts from an authorized repair center showing that you had routine airfilter service done then you are sort of screwed in a situation like this, regardless of how often you clean the filter yourself.
I don't know, the whole situation just bites. Sorry, i felt like venting is all.
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UPDATE to the oil burning issue.
So my friend took his bike into the local Kawi shop. Upon their evaluation it was determined that lack of correct air filter maintenance lead to a breakdown of internal engine components (guess they mean the rings), and will not be covered by the factory. Without receipts from an authorized repair center showing that you had routine airfilter service done then you are sort of screwed in a situation like this, regardless of how often you clean the filter yourself.
I don't know, the whole situation just bites. Sorry, i felt like venting is all.

The shop has to show that dirt got sucked into the motor in this case. Make them show you the cylinder. Of course if dirt did get sucked in...

The Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act allows consumers to do maintenance and not invalidate the warranty. You as the consumer don't have to prove your work the dealer has to prove that your work directly contributed to the failure, i.e. replacing the doo doesn't have any effect on the valves.

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Hey Spec, thats good to know about the MAGNUSON-WARRANTY ACT. I will re-read it when i have more time, thanks.
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In theory the M-M Warranty Act looks like a great consumer protection law. In real world practice you need to understand that the manufacture hold the hole card. It is your word against that of a professional mechanic who is supported and backed by corporate attorneys.
Or as the old saying goes "Ya gotta pay to play sometimes"

I am currently looking to get back into the KLR play yard myself, and will say that all the oil burning stories have me thinking going towards a Gen1 bike over the Gen2. However the Gen2 does offer some nice improvements and benefits. What to do, What to do?
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In theory the M-M Warranty Act looks like a great consumer protection law. In real world practice you need to understand that the manufacture hold the hole card. It is your word against that of a professional mechanic who is supported and backed by corporate attorneys.
Or as the old saying goes "Ya gotta pay to play sometimes"

I am currently looking to get back into the KLR play yard myself, and will say that all the oil burning stories have me thinking going towards a Gen1 bike over the Gen2. However the Gen2 does offer some nice improvements and benefits. What to do, What to do?

The oil burning is not a big deal IMHO. My 08 has used about 3 gallons in almost 50K miles. I don't think it's acceptable in this day and age to be burning any oil and I don't like that Kawasaki never stepped up and admitted or fixed the problem. It would be hard for me to buy another new Kawasaki.

Your right about the waranty act but it does put the shop on the defense. The intent of the act was to stop the industry from arbitrally denying waranty claims because the customer didn't pay for service to maintain the waranty. Personally I don't buy extended waranties and don't go back to the dealer after the intial purchase anyway.

In the OPs case if the air cleaner did allow dirt into the cylinder it's his fault. It's an owner maintence item, like putting air in the tires. Unless you want to pay a shop...

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The oil burning is not a big deal IMHO. My 08 has used about 3 gallons in almost 50K miles. I don't think it's acceptable in this day and age to be burning any oil and I don't like that Kawasaki never stepped up and admitted or fixed the problem. It would be hard for me to buy another new Kawasaki.

Your right about the waranty act but it does put the shop on the defense. The intent of the act was to stop the industry from arbitrally denying waranty claims becasue the customer didn't pay for service to maintain the waranty. Personally I don't buy extended waranties and don't go back to the dealer after the intial purchase anyway.

In the OPs case if the air cleaner did allow dirt into the cylinder it's his fault. It's an owner maintence item, like putting air in the tires. Unless you want to pay a shop...
3 gallons in 50K? Thats good numbers friend. Works out to be about a 1/4 of a quart in 1K miles I think. Thats about what my 08 uses and I have no plans to touch it for that type of usage.

As far as the air filter goes its going to be tough going. Now you just have to find a different dealer to say nothing was wrong with it from dirt, prove the rings broke or something else went wrong and file some paperwork to contest the diagnosis.... Thats the year waiting on a repair or just fixing it and hoping you get paid back. I have seen people play that card at dealers and the smart ones (dealers) that is have all the pictures and paperwork handled before the customer even comes to pick it up. A dealer I worked at (trucks) had a video camera, if one came in under warranty and had chewed water or dirt first thing was to get a movie of the vin and then go to the intake and show the intake tubing with water stains or dirt on the wrong side of the filter. The other thing that was looked for was tubes that had been wipped down, nothing says guilt like cleaning the evidence before taking it to the dealer. I hope he gets it fixed dont get me wrong but proving it can be tough and take a good amount of time. Best of luck.
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3 gallons in 50K? Thats good numbers friend. Works out to be about a 1/4 of a quart in 1K miles I think. Thats about what my 08 uses and I have no plans to touch it for that type of usage.

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My normal 50 miles per day commute doesn't use much oil, max speed is about 60 mph. The problem is on trips where there might be extended riding at higher speeds/higher RPMs. I've had it use 1/2 qt. in 300-400 miles. I carry extra oil... Still cheaper than doing a 685 kit.

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I understand this isn't your bike, basement, but do you know if the shop happened to elaborate on what the "lack of correct air filter maintenance" was?

I'm just curious to know if they think it was something like a damaged filter, filter not seated or oiled properly, filter nut came loose, etc. allowing dirty air to get into the engine?

I've never done it, so this is actually a valid question on my part: if you just keep riding and riding a KLR and never clean the air filter, what will happen? I'm assuming it would just get so clogged that the engine wouldn't run right, but am not sure. Would the demand for air somehow cause the flow to find some way around the filter whereas it wouldn't if the filter were functioning properly?




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