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post #1 of 15 Old 09-11-2012, 06:55 PM Thread Starter
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Hello,

I am new here, but not to KLRs.
I had a 98 once upon a time.

My question is, is ther a difference between the 12 and the 13 KLR 650?

My thoughts are going to a dealer and looking for a 12 when the 13s come out, maybe get a good deal?

Unless the 13 has something that the 12 does not?

Thanks for and and all info/opinions.
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post #2 of 15 Old 09-11-2012, 07:15 PM
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I would bet it's just colour schemes unless kawi finally fixed the DOO and oil issues once and for all!

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Thanks for the reply...

What do you mean by DOO issues?
I have done some reading, I understand that the oil gets burned when too many RPMs?
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post #4 of 15 Old 09-11-2012, 10:38 PM
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Welcome, Seems the only changes for the 2013's is paint and graphics. The Doohickey (Balancer chain tensioner) has a decent lever since 08, the spring is suspect for long term use (spring they use seems a little long), but should not be a issue for several thousand miles. Did my 09 at 3000 miles and spring had a small amount of tension left. The oil burning seem to be an issue of sustained running at 5000 rpm and above. Get either one, break it in properly, check oil regularly and have fun.
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The DOO is the ballancer adjuster devise and is a much stronger unit than the earlier models for sure, but as stated above the spring is the big problem now.......for some stupid reason Kawi put a spring in that allows for 1 mayber 2 adjustments of the DOO and then the spring has zero adjustment tension left. This not good as it can then sooner or later slip off the post holding it in place and cause iisues. Even if it's just the fact that when you loosen the DOO adjuster bolt the ballancer system now can freely move back to an even looser state which will possible allow the chain to skip a tooth and or bind up which is a very serious situation and will cost you large. The DOO and newly designed Torsion spring from Eagle Mike is far suprior from the stock parts and should never loose it's tension. It isn't that expensive and the two need to be used as a pair, you can't use the stock DOO and the torsion spring as the stock DOO is timed differently on the DOO idler shaft. BUT, you can use a slightly shorter normal spring a get the tension back. BUT, beware not tyo put too much tension on the system or it will wear prematurely, again another problem.
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you can't use the stock DOO and the torsion spring as the stock DOO is timed differently on the DOO idler shaft...

Uh what? They looked identical to me when I changed out mine. The Eagle Mike doo was machined better but all the slots were in the same location. What does timing have to do with a chain tensioner?

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Uh what? They looked identical to me when I changed out mine. The Eagle Mike doo was machined better but all the slots were in the same location. What does timing have to do with a chain tensioner?
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Doohickey (Idler Shaft Lever) only holds balancer chain TENSION; TIMING is of no consequence to the doohickey, AFAIK.
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I believe Willys is correct, but has chosen the wrong words.

The balancer lever has no impact on the timing of the balancer system, of course. That is, no effect on the phasing of the relationship of the counter weights to the piston at top dead center.

There is, if I recall correctly, a difference in clocking of the shaft slot to the arced slot between the EM doo and the Kawi doo. The EM doo has the arced slot clocked a fair amount counter clockwise as compared to the Kawi doo.

My belief is that the theory behind this is that the Kawi doo will run out of adjustment after a while, thus the EM doo has the clocking change to allow for a longer period of adjustment. That's just my opinion of the theory; the truth may be that it was easier to machine that way.

Some see that as a benefit; I see it as a false benefit. I would suspect that Kawi, when they designed the OEM part, figured that when the adjustment lever ran out of travel that it was time to refresh the balancer system parts. Were one to use up all of the EM doo's adjustment, the chain in that system would be worn well beyond its practical service limit.

In that event, of course, the timing of the balancer system would have changed.

And, I have never heard of a Kawi doo running out of adjustment range. Spring yes, doo no.



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I believe Willys is correct, but has chosen the wrong words.

The balancer lever has no impact on the timing of the balancer system, of course. That is, no effect on the phasing of the relationship of the counter weights to the piston at top dead center.

There is, if I recall correctly, a difference in clocking of the shaft slot to the arced slot between the EM doo and the Kawi doo. The EM doo has the arced slot clocked a fair amount counter clockwise as compared to the Kawi doo.

My belief is that the theory behind this is that the Kawi doo will run out of adjustment after a while, thus the EM doo has the clocking change to allow for a longer period of adjustment. That's just my opinion of the theory; the truth may be that it was easier to machine that way.

Some see that as a benefit; I see it as a false benefit. I would suspect that Kawi, when they designed the OEM part, figured that when the adjustment lever ran out of travel that it was time to refresh the balancer system parts. Were one to use up all of the EM doo's adjustment, the chain in that system would be worn well beyond its practical service limit.

In that event, of course, the timing of the balancer system would have changed.

And, I have never heard of a Kawi doo running out of adjustment range. Spring yes, doo no.



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Okay I read this twice and now have to chuckle. You think that kawis spring is the only problem yet there doohickies are known to break and cause injury etc... I dont understand why you think that Kawi got the Doo correct even though they break... Yet you dont think that Eagle-Mike had thought out the amount of wear the stock balancing chain can stretch???

Maybe you have never heard of a kawi doo runing out of adjustment range because it breaks prior to it runnin out of range because spring is way too long... Or before the spring runs out of travel the owner is smart and replaces the original with an EM doo...
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I believe reports of lever breakage on 08 and up are virtually nill, because of the redesign. The springs seem to be the weak point, not allowing many adjustments before spring tension is gone. I think most just change lever while in there for piece of mind from disasters on Gen1's which had bad levers.
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