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post #1 of 39 Old 05-19-2013, 10:44 AM Thread Starter
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Tire swap - shinko 700? DIY?

My bike currently has a set of almost-new Michelin T63 tires on it from the previous owner.

It does seem wasteful to think about ditching them, but I've noticed these knobby tires can feel somewhat squirrelly at higher speeds.
I'm mostly doing on-road driving in my area, and to get off road will need to do some higher speed driving to get to trails, and I'm not a big fan of mud anyway. I'm also hearing wet pavement traction might be poor on knobbys.

I like that the description on the Shinko 700 says they are "60% on road, 40% off-road" since that probably nails what I'm looking for - and the price is certainly right.

The real question (as I stare into the tread pattern) is whether I will notice a real difference on-road, since these also do look like they've got a pretty aggressive tread pattern?

Has anyone used them or something similar enough to comment?

I'm also hearing lots of people changing their own tires - I'm a DIY guy, the idea just makes me nervous, mostly from the balancing aspect.
...I don't know if you've ever driven a car with a tire out of balance at highway speeds, but it's not good. Doesn't this same dynamic exist with motorcycles?
If not, I'd rather invest in tire changing tools than a visit to a tire shop.

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I also run T63 on one set of wheels, and the grooved highways are especially squirmy.

Them Shinko 700's look nice.

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My most recent set of tires has been the Shinko 700. They seem to perform similar to the stock Dunlops.
These are tubeless tires. It's not a problem to run them with tubes. However, once the bead set, I had a real hard time breaking the bead when I removed the rear (I haven't done the front yet).
See my thread from this morning: http://www.klrforum.com/showthread.php?t=19234
I was able to mount them no problem.
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post #5 of 39 Old 05-19-2013, 11:05 AM
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I change tires here and most of the time people do not want their tires ballanced. I can ballance then but, will you notice it on a KLR, really? IMHO, not unless they are far out of ballance, but the customer is always right. I use a big "U" shaped clamp device that was made for me by a buddy. It basically clamps the wheel at the hub using two cone shaped pins to calmp to the wheel bearings. You take any weights off that may be one at the moment and spin the wheel until it stops, mark the spot at the top and resping in the opposite direction, mark again. I deside how much weight as how fast it took to stop spinning, if it stopped fast it will need more weight, slow and it will need less weight. I choose the weight and tape it in place, I use stick on alluminium weights and place them between the spokes where I marked the rim(at the top when it stopped spinning) I respin and see where it stops, if it never picks the same spot twice then it's close enough, if it does pick the same spot over again I adjust the weight I picked at first and spin again until I get it right. This is a time consuming deal but it's free so to speak and anyone can do it at home by just using the axle in a pinch across two axle stands.
After I get it as good as I think I can I clean the rim and stick the weights on, I then use some silicon to help keep the weights attached to the rim as the two sided tape isn't that strong imho to keep the weights on if you do play in the trails.
Google it, there are many machines that can be bought to ballance tires but this is the simplist way I have found to work.
Changing the tires is a simple act and all dualsport riders should know how to do this ay any time just in case. Without any special tools other than what is on your bike at all times. Common sense dicates here. You don't need to worry about ballancing the tires after a flat repair as it's just the weight of a single patch that is throwing off the as long as you install the tire in the same location as when you took it off. So mark it before removing it. IF you ballance your tires.

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I have no idea on balancing - my only experience is on cars.
This bike is my first bike, and I've put all of 160 miles on it so far.

I'm still new enough that "riding on the highway" is intimidating to me - haven't done it - but it's going to be a requirement, so I didn't want to find out the hard way that balancing was important at higher speeds.

I haven't ridden the stock tires, these Michelins are what the previous owner put on. But from the pictures, I agree - they do look like the stock tires.

My thought on balancing them is the same as cheap car tires - sometimes one of the things you get with a higher priced tire is a tire carcass that is one built to higher standards that ends up being more naturally balanced - well, these tires are cheap, so I was thinking balancing might be required. Again, I'm speaking through the window, I don't know.

I've seen these before - maybe for motorcycle wheels this is "good enough"?
Or maybe "don't waste your time" is good enough, is that the thought?

The only tool kit that I have at the moment is the tiny thing that fits in the, what, 1" wide opening in the rear parcel shelf, so most likely I need to invest in some tools.

I've changed both bicycle and car tires before, although the latter was with your usual pneumatic equipment (and computerized spin balancer), but I don't really own any motorcycle specific tools yet. Suggestions?
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Balancing. Tire off bike put the axle back in and set on jackstands so it will spin. Give a slow spin, add weight to the light side. Rinse, lather, repeat.

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Even better!

If this is a DIY thing and those are decent tires, seems like a pretty good hundred-or-so to spend
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That balancer you showed WILL NOT work for motorcycle tires. It is meant for car/truck wheels that have a center hole in the rim. I have a similar one that I balance all my cage wheels on.

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That's alright, I like Flash's freebie suggestion on balancing. Even better.

Anyone actually use these tires? General consensus that they are decent and/or at least probably an improvement [for my needs] over these Michelin knobbies?
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