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post #1 of 15 Old 08-12-2016, 05:26 AM Thread Starter
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Water in the oil from a drop

Alright Gearheads,

I'm looking at a couple KLR's to purchase and I came across one from a dealer that I've bought several bikes from in the past. Never had a problem from these guys but here's the deal. The bike is a '12 with less than 10k and has most of the mods I plan to make already done. Didn't get to ride it yesterday as it developed a skip right as I was going to take it out (probably a gummy carb from sitting). Anyway, they'll fix it before I do anything. I'd be the 3rd owner (excluding dealer and they originally sold the bike).
So getting to the point. Apparently, the bike was dropped (doesn't appear to be an accident/hard crash, more like fell over). No evidence of anything really serious except this. According to the last owner, when the bike was dropped, it somehow got water in the oil and seized the engine. Again, according to previous owner, everything was properly repaired including punching out the cylinder for new piston/rings. I can't imagine dropping the bike causing this kind of an issue. From my inspection, it looks like it went over on it's right side, very minor scraps on the throttle end cap and minor touch-up paint on the fairing, no evidence of any serious accident. My question is, what in the hell would cause such from what otherwise appears to be a "bump"? I suppose you should also know that the area is really rocky around here and the previous owner lives in the same area as I do. To me that means it was likely dropped on a gravel road or maybe even in his driveway while sitting still or at very low speed.
My closest guess is that probably something around the head took a bit of a hit when this happened. I don't know the exact layout of the oil galleys and coolant passages but I would imagine that the head is where these two come into their closest proximity to each other. I can see no evidence of any damage there either (replaced?).
I guess my thoughts are these. I have to presume everything was properly repaired, I've known the guys at the dealer for close to 15 years and I feel pretty confident they wouldn't put something on the showroom floor that had any real or known issues. But I'm a little concerned as I plan to take the bike off-road myself. What could possibly be so delicate as to not be able to take a knock like that, I mean after all, the bike is pretty much made for this kind of stuff right? Curious as to any thoughts any of you may have.

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Personally I would have a hard time believing that a "drop" caused something catastrophic to require an engine rebuild. If that were the case there would be a lot of KLR's in the wrecking yard.

Do you know who did the engine work?? Doesn't sound like the shop you are buying from did it reading between the lines. For me I'd pass this one by. Something smells fishy. On the other hand, what kind of money are they asking for it? If it's cheap enough it may be worth the risk.

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post #3 of 15 Old 08-12-2016, 09:29 AM
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Never heard of that happening. Now if the owner dropped it on its right side while crossing water....Didn't hit the kill switch and sucked water into the intake, then its possible he hydrolocked it. Either way, personally I wouldn't touch it, that's just me. Too many good low mileage KLR's out there to be had cheap.
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Yeah, it's kind of a tough one to figure out. The dealer I'm buying from didn't do the work, otherwise I wouldn't question it. This will be the 4th bike I've bought from them and they've been good as gold on everyone. In fact, I'm dealing with the same guy I bought my last bike from so they don't turn help over very often either. They're asking like 48 for the bike, probably settle around 43 is my guess. Ordinarily, I'd say it's a pretty good deal. All the racks and hardware for mounting saddlebags (aluminum), crash bars, skid plate, progressive suspension (front and rear) and replaced the doohickey along with new chain and larger front sprocket and smaller rear sprocket. Everything I'm going to do is pretty much already done.
Normally, I'd probably pass on it too. But they evidence of a real crash just isn't there. It's a very minor touch up on the fairing (and you really have to look to spot it) and a very small scrap on the end cap to the throttle, that's it. Living in this area, I can easily see how the rocks I mentioned could cause this. When I say rocky, we pretty much have to import dirt up here. And large rocks. I can literally visualize this thing falling over in some guys driveway and something like the head hitting a large rock. IMO, what adds to this is that the bike has street tires, not the 80/20 type. With the saddlebags, sprocket change and all it seems to me that this bike was set up as a commuter. Not uncommon at all in this area. He ended up trading it in on a Vulcan (that would in my mind make a better commuter). All the roads up here on the mountain are gravel and you don't pick up any pavement until you hit the main road down. If I were to see any scraps to the frame, forks, swing arm or anything else, I'd say the bike went down pretty hard, but there just doesn't seem to be anything else other than what I've described. It seems to me that the bike wasn't set up to do any off-road which make me think more that the guy slipped on the gravel or in his driveway at low speed or stopped and something struck the engine when it hit. And even with the crash bars, I can walk out my front door and it's pretty easy to find a large rock along side of the driveway that would penetrate the bars and cause damage. I have no idea. But it seems to run fine (outside of the carb being a little gummy from sitting since Jan.
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Dunno, this sounds crazy fishy to me. I can't see any way that a drop (even in rocks, KLR's get dropped in rocks all the time) could have caused water to get into the oil and the bike to seize.

I'm pretty sure that if the bike looks like it was set up for commuting with street tires, etc, the previous owner was probably doing long high speed commutes with it and ran it out of oil and seized it. Now that's a common occurrence with these bikes if the oil level isn't watched, and I'd almost be willing to bet that's what happened.

I guess in the end though, you would never know the actual story behind the rebuild unless you knew the previous owner. I'd steer clear of it as well though, lots of fish in the sea, and that's not even really a smoking deal on a 2012.

Lol, just my two cents, wish you the best of luck on your search .
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Now a commuter running it low on oil makes a lot of sense to me. I don't know these bikes, and I have trouble believing a drop would cause such but????? The only thing I could possibly conceive is an oil galley in close proximity to a water port (IF and it's big if, the likely point in my mind would be the head). I would imagine these things get dropped all the time like you said and as such, if there were a weak spot there would be other reports. Too bad 'cause otherwise it's mostly set up how I'd like. I think my search continues. To all, thanks for the input. I've got to go out of town for a week so I'll resume my search when I return.

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Alright Gearheads,

I'm looking at a couple KLR's to purchase and I came across one from a dealer that I've bought several bikes from in the past. Never had a problem from these guys but here's the deal. The bike is a '12 with less than 10k and has most of the mods I plan to make already done. Didn't get to ride it yesterday as it developed a skip right as I was going to take it out (probably a gummy carb from sitting). Anyway, they'll fix it before I do anything. I'd be the 3rd owner (excluding dealer and they originally sold the bike).
So getting to the point. Apparently, the bike was dropped (doesn't appear to be an accident/hard crash, more like fell over). No evidence of anything really serious except this. According to the last owner, when the bike was dropped, it somehow got water in the oil and seized the engine. Again, according to previous owner, everything was properly repaired including punching out the cylinder for new piston/rings. I can't imagine dropping the bike causing this kind of an issue.


Curious as to any thoughts any of you may have.

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From this 1st posting and all of the rest, I'll suggest that, the bike in question fell over in a CREEK Crossing.

It is not so much the water in the engine oil that may have caused the rebuild. But just moisture in the Cylinder.

The bike 'may not' have been Immediately 'Revived' and needed the over-sized piston and rings to repair Rust Damage to the cylinder. 12-48 hours of Delay, depending on temps could have required this major repair.
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PDWest,

My XL sucked water BAD once.

Water as high as the seat, died with a blast of water shot from the muffler.
I didn't know about the flash rusting in the cylinder walls so quickly so I
guess I was lucky that the bike was my only way home. Another thumper
pulled me along in second gear and after about 1/4 mile the thing lit up real
shaky and was running perfect minutes later. No water in the oil when I got
home and swapped out fluids.

I'd pass on this bike cuz the story doesn't match up with reality.
The truth has been avoided likely by the previous owner as it sounds
like the dealership is a straight up, honest operation.

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A drop during a water crossing would make sense, I hadn't even considered that. Again though, I think I would pass on it, even if properly repaired. Tons of other KLR's in that price range that haven't gone submarining yet .

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From this 1st posting and all of the rest, I'll suggest that, the bike in question fell over in a CREEK Crossing.
That's what I meant when I said; Something smells fishy".

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