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post #11 of 23 Old 02-05-2020, 12:00 PM Thread Starter
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Scares the shit outta me, and that's without even getting off the freeway.
Hahaha that is pretty funny. Luckily, I live on the very north west side of vegas and hardly every drive through town. Mainly go up to work and the trails.
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I recon that I will ask if you lean the bike to the Right & then back to the side stand 3 times, before re-installing the drain plug & gasket?

There is probably near 8 oz of oil hiding in the LH engine cover & the various cavities of the crankcase.

Also does your oil filter have the center pipe in it?
I do move it back and forth a bit. I could probably do it a little more aggressively. Thanks for that!
Yes, my oil filter does have the center pipe in it.
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So, I have been changing the oil pretty frequently. But it keeps staying dirty. Has anyone else had this problem? Would just changing the oil and then running the engine and then changing the oil again like 3 or 4 times in a sitting be a bad idea (not to mention a use of quite a bit of oil)? I just want it to be clean.
Ok, at the risk of beating a dead horse, the pic below is my oil after 419 miles. My KLR has 29,816 miles on the odometer and is a 2012 year model with the OEM piston and rings. The oil and filter were changed using Rotella 15W-40 and a Kawasaki oil filter. In my experience, this is pretty typical oil color after 500 or so miles on most any internal combustion engine, if the rings are doing their job.

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P.S. My wife was holding the bike and it was not quite level. With the bike level there is virtually no bubble at the top of the window.
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Ok, at the risk of beating a dead horse, the pic below is my oil after 419 miles. My KLR is a 2012 year model with the OEM piston and rings. The oil and filter were changed using Rotella 15W-40 and a Kawasaki oil filter. In my experience, this is pretty typical oil color after 500 or so miles on most any internal combustion engine, if the rings are doing their job.

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P.S. My wife was holding the bike and it was not quite level. With the bike level there is virtually no bubble at the top of the window.
Mine looks about the same with about 800 miles on the change. Same with my VStrom in which I use synthetic. I'm also going to syn in my new to me KLR.

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Mine looks about the same with about 800 miles on the change. Same with my VStrom in which I use synthetic. I'm also going to syn in my new to me KLR.
I'd love to read a 5000 mile run from the KLR, oil lab analysis on that synthetic oil.

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I'd love to read a 5000 mile run from the KLR, oil lab analysis on that synthetic oil.
I've never had an oil analysis done so I don't know anything about it. I could do it after about a 1000 miles on the new synthetic, or perhaps it would be best test the present dyno oil. The guy I bought it from had it changed at the local Kawasaki dealership when he had the carb rebuilt over a year ago. While it looks good, it's obviously got to be changed for the reasons we all understand.

Where should I send the oil and how much does the lab need? I assume I should take a sample while I'm draining the oil. I'm taking my KLR to Death Valley for some off road riding the last week of the month and will change it upon my return. I also could change the oil at my campsite while there after a good day's ride and with it very hot which is perhaps best.

I changed the oil and transmission fluid on friend's Harley Softail Classic at our campsite at the 2015 Sturgis event.

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Meant to include a photo. Neither of those guys are me in the pic and neither had ever changed the oil on their Harleys, having the dealership do it. I'd been working on my Shovelhead and my Evo Electra Glide Classic for years but had never worked on a Softail so didn't know where the drain plugs were. While my buddies were trying to figure out where thee were, I looked it up on my phone and then took over. I found the illusive drain plug, drained the oil and refilled it with synthetic. They had pulled the trannie drain plug and I took one look at the small amount of fluid in the pan and said "I think you missed on that one guys".

Fortunately the big guy was a dealer for that high end synthetic that one buys on line and had a couple of case of both oil and trannie fluid in his trailor.

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Ok, at the risk of beating a dead horse, the pic below is my oil after 419 miles. My KLR is a 2012 year model with the OEM piston and rings. The oil and filter were changed using Rotella 15W-40 and a Kawasaki oil filter. In my experience, this is pretty typical oil color after 500 or so miles on most any internal combustion engine, if the rings are doing their job.

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P.S. My wife was holding the bike and it was not quite level. With the bike level there is virtually no bubble at the top of the window.
Yikes, so mine is like BLACK black. It will look like that as I poor the oil in, but the second I turn it on it goes black.
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I've never had an oil analysis done so I don't know anything about it. I could do it after about a 1000 miles on the new synthetic, or perhaps it would be best test the present dyno oil. The guy I bought it from had it changed at the local Kawasaki dealership when he had the carb rebuilt over a year ago. While it looks good, it's obviously got to be changed for the reasons we all understand.

Where should I send the oil and how much does the lab need? I assume I should take a sample while I'm draining the oil. I'm taking my KLR to Death Valley for some off road riding the last week of the month and will change it upon my return. I also could change the oil at my campsite while there after a good day's ride and with it very hot which is perhaps best.

I changed the oil and transmission fluid on friend's Harley Softail Classic at our campsite at the 2015 Sturgis event.
I personally think that having an oil analysis performed at any mileage less than 3000 miles is a waste of time, resource & money, unless one is suspecting internal engine problems.

My first ever oil analysis was performed on 5000 mile used oil from my KLR.
One needs to divide the ppm of wearable metals by the thousands traveled,
say 22ppm of Alum / 5.0k = 4.4 ppm per 1k, verses the BSL Universal Average for KLR's of 33ppm of Alum / 1.9k = 17.368 ppm per 1k.
This allows one to more directly compare to the average of many oils or others specific chosen oils.

Here is the oil analysis thread, https://www.klrforum.com/klr-other-m...is-thread.html
There are numerous brands of oil samples scattered through out the thread. Tom Schmitz has used 3 brands, so one needs to confirm the info at top of each report.

Blackstone Labs will currently send you Postage Pre-Paid sample kits and you can learn the proper procedures from their site, https://www.blackstone-labs.com/info.../gas-sampling/

The standard tests are $28 as of my last test in Nov 2019.
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Yikes, so mine is like BLACK black. It will look like that as I poor the oil in, but the second I turn it on it goes black.
Is your bike a 2008 by chance?

Does it burn quite a bit of oil, say a quart in 500 or so miles?

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