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post #1 of 8 Old 10-20-2016, 03:10 PM Thread Starter
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D606 vs Trakmasters ( rear )

I'm using Trakmasters front and rear now. Zero complaints off road or on other than a long scrub in period. I guess I ride 70-80% off road on what most would consider single track. No sharp rocks. Very little sand. Mostly just good old-fashioned dirt and woods with a leaf covered floor. I avoid mud when possible.

I'm at about 1,100 miles and my rear tire is going away. I could probably, maybe get another 500 paved miles out it ( a few months for me), but off road traction is really fading now. Front tire looks almost new.
The D606 seems well liked and apparently lasts longer on pavement. I'm not seeing any other DOT rears that really excite me much. Maybe the MT21, but the jury's still out on that.

Has anyone here had experience with both the D606 and the TM? I'm curious how they compare in real life.

Any other comparable tires I should look in to? I really need a knobby. Something like a K270 won't cut through the deep leaves I find myself in, pretty much daily.

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p.s.- I'm notoriously hard on rear tires.
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post #2 of 8 Old 10-20-2016, 05:28 PM
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Get better TrakMaster II mileage, but . . . my riding's obviously, "kinder, gentler!"

Have Vee Rubber 401s on another bike; effective Big Block tread, but . . . the rear's wearing down faster than I'd hoped.

I'd expect the 606s you consider better on pavement than the TrakMaster IIs, but . . . the full knobbies are much more versatile and effective on the slab than I imagined.

Yet .l . . DO NOT attempt severe lateral movement on pavement with TrakMaster IIs; front wash-out likely!
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I was , and still am occasionally, impressed with the TM's on pavement, too.

I never heard of that Vee Rubber , so I'll check out now. How do you compare it to the Kenda?

Oh, on the front washout thing, have you worn through the waffle looking imprint on your front yet? Once I got past that my front felt solid. Somewhat sketchy up until that point, though.
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I think the Vee Rubber 401 is more aggressive than the Kenda K270 off-road, close on pavement. Don't think the 401 can match the 270 mileage, but insufficient data/experience now available to make that conclusion.

Beyond waffling/stipling, my TrakMaster II front washed out on a hard surface, when I tried to regain the roadway after dodging an oncoming delivery truck after it forced me to the shoulder. Upon inspection of the tread, I saw very little surface area contact laterally, compared to a fully 50/50 tire, like a K270. I think, had I been on dirt or gravel, the TM II would have hooked up o.k.; not so much on the hard surface. I believe a Dunlop 606 or a Vee Rubber 401 would have offered a better chance in that situation, than the DOT knobby TM II.
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I checked it that 401. It seems a bit shallow for my purposes, but I like it's rounded profile. Looks like the perfect tire for camping trips where you don't know what you might encounter, but you're planning on any hillclimbs either.

I've been reading a lot of good things about trials type tread patterns. I've seen several remarks from guys that were surprised to see a trials tire outperform their knobs in woods riding. I can see them gripping logs and rocks easier, but they still look like they'd just float on top of the leaves to me.

I saw a good looking rear called a Tractionator. Weird name, great reviews. Not available in 17 tho.....darn you, Kawasaki.
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Can't comment on the trackmaster but after trying a dozen tires, my go to setup now is a D606 rear and an MT21 front.....I prefer the D606 to the MT21 on the back for traction but the front MT21 seems to offer good grip without as much noise or the weird wear pattern of the D606 front. This was recommended to me by several offroad racing guys and I have to concur that it is the best of the setups I've tried.

Like all things dual sport, tires are a compromise. I don't get much more than 1000 - 1500 miles out of a D606 either but then I don't like worn out tires so I change them somewhere between 25 - 40%. The final bit of life seems to last much longer than the first part (makes sense, I suppose) so if you were determined to take them all the way down, you'd probably get quite a bit more out of them.

A word about trials tires: I used them on my race bike (KTM 300XCW) in certain conditions. While they worked well in most things except mud, sand and wet grass (compared to my typical Michelin S12 rear and M12 front), they were very soft and I tore the sidewall out of two of them in the shale.....I'd suggest that they are WAY too soft for street duty. Perhaps there are harder compound trials tires available but I wouldn't go over 50mph on a Michelin X11 for long.

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Good point on the trials tires. I never thought twice about their sidewalls.

Do you run low air in your 606? Does it flatten out well?

I contemplated an MT21 because I didn't like the look of the front TM. The knob layout is identical to the rears, which suggests a drive tire to me, not a steering tire. I'd really like to try an MT21 front, but the TM was on the rack and the price was right. Not crazy about the MT21 rear based on just looking at it. The front TM struggles to hold the bike from sliding backwards on inclines. I'm thinking closer lug spacing ( to a degree) may help there.

Here's a pic of my TM's as of today. For offroad duty I'm calling the rear about finished. The lugs are 5/16" tall at the very center. Actual mileage is 1143 miles. Curious how this stacks up against your 606's. There's maybe 400 paved miles on these tires, max. The rear actually crosses logs easier now , which is what made me think about trials tires.

I'm not really disappointed in the tire life, but if something lasts longer that's cool, too. The rear was $65 and the front was $57. Hard to complain, really.
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I don't run air pressure below 18 (usually 20) on the KLR because I've ripped the valve stem off in the past with low tire pressures without a rimlock.....plus the KLR had got 100+ lbs on my race bike. On my KTM I ran 12 - 14 PSI front and 10-12 rear though I did try 10 and even 8 once with the trails tire and Tubliss system. Those TM's look like they held up pretty good actually.

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