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post #1 of 32 Old 07-02-2010, 05:23 AM Thread Starter
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Unhappy Need advice on pants

So I just got my first pair of riding pants in the mail today in time for my trip this weekend and they fit perfectly! They are Icon ARC Overpants and are well rated when I researched. But problem is the stupid knee armor is basically ankle armor and with it all the way adjusted up, just barley velcroed on, I still cant get the pads high enough to cover my knees while sitting on my bike. No way I can get another pair in time and if I wear them I doubt they will take them back ( I got them from www.motorcycle-superstore.com). I guess my question is more how much help is the armor if I screw up and go down or if someone hits me? My knees have had a few surgeries from football injuries and I care most about saving whats left of them so I am a bit freaked.

Do you guys think Im just being to n00b and its no big deal or should I swap for the cage and forget the awesome ride I planed out till I get better pants?
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Well, before the panic attack sets in, let's look at the instructions. I know, instructions are for dweebs. The membership screening here is lax, and I got through.

http://www.newenough.com/browse/view...ct_images/2162

Several sources indicate that the CE approved armor in the knees is adjustable, utilizing velcro.

Now for the "unsolicited advice". Built in armor is kind of convenient, and better than bare skin. But. The problem I find with most built in armor protection is that it is generically placed in generically sized off the rack gear. The seating on a sport bike is different than a KLR 650 is different than on a cruiser. They need to design these pants to "cover all bases". In the process, there are some trade offs. Sad part is, one of the trade off's is in the protection. Standing on the sidewalk, my knee armor droops a little below the knee. Seated on the bike, the knee armor rides up on my knee. What position will my knee be in when I'm tumbling down the road at 60 MPH? I dunno either. Nor do I know where my knee protection will be riding. Things happen pretty fast during most get-offs. My Aerostich armor stays in place. My other gear's armor is about as much lucky charm as it is functional. Solution? If you have a weak spot that you need protected, buy armor protection specific to the area. Throw away the crap in the suit. Do yourself and your knees a favor and get some "strap on" knee armor such as KNOX "cross knee" guards. You can ditch whatever armor comes in your pants and wear them. That way, you'll have PREMIUM knee protection no matter what position your knees/legs are in (walking, standing, crouched...it's still where it should be). Doesn't matter how your legs are bent, how many times they hit the ground, and will be familiar to you as they are ALWAYS in the same (proper) spot ALL the time. A side benifit of this is that the same pair of knee armor can be used under ANY pants you have, thus always feeling the same and comfortable.

What am I saying? I'm saying that your built in knee protection is not something I would count on in a crash. They move. Unpredictably. There are too many if's and maybe's to rely on the built in pants protection.

Solution.

http://www.newenough.com/browse/view_product_images/184

http://www.webbikeworld.com/r4/alpin...x-knee-guards/

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http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/productDetail.do?navType=type&priceRange=$9+-+$109&navTitle=Apparel-MXGear&webTypeId=86&webCatId=1&brandId=allBrands&p rodFamilyId=13867

Your local motorcycle shops will have these or a version of them. Yes, they may be five or six dollars higher than on the internet. But you get to try them on and make sure they fit. And go on your trip.

And keep asking questions about safety equipment. And fit. If I jump from a plane, I do not want the bargain brand parachute, nor do I want a sweat shop packing it. What we are doing is not that far removed.

I don't have economy knees. They get better than economy protection.
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And, if all else fails and none of your repair attempts work and you decide that you must have knee protection, visit Home Depot and grab a pair of knee protectors.. They have everything from armored to just foam. While you'll find them a bit more heavy duty than what the pants came with, that's not a bad thing, right?? :-)

Vatrader hit it on the head.. They're designed for everyone and we're not all the same size.. If we were, I wouldn't have had to sell my original Aerostich Roadcrafter due to closet shrinkage..
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My .02...

If I had prior knee injuries/surgeries I would be wearing knee braces not guards especially if you're going off-road. The difference is that the braces will limit hyper extensions and lateral twisting. Yea braces are expensive but if you've already done the doctor route, well you know.

I have Astericks that I wear on my dirt bikes. If I were buying new I would get the EVS RS8 braces

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I did adjust them all the way till only a flimsy bit of velcro was holding them up and it wasn't enough. Guess that part of what I said wasn't worded right sorry. Looking at the sizing chart on the site you gave me I can see the problem right away, the inseam seems to be at lest 2" longer then what I am. Everything fits perfectly leg length and all, just the velcro placement is so low so I am totally confused. Either way I guess the stuff is really flimsy even if it was right.

I have seen those knee guards for MX riders in the past and those are an awesome idea! And if I dont find any that fit right away then Home Depot it will be for this trip. I am picking up my new windshield today so will be at the shop and check them out.

I wasn't trying to be cheap I just went by the few personable reviews of my friends who ride sport bikes. They have been down with Icon gear and say it kept them out of the ER a few times. Everything else is just stars and hear-say. Shops don't carry my size so all I can go by is ppl who have been there, been down, and swear by it. That said, vatrader, are you implying these are cheap pants? I have no clue what I am doing and just want to ride. So if so then are they worth my keeping even with my own knee guards? Everyone seems to love Aerostich but I have been reading resent reviews saying they are having major delivery issues the last couple months. Anything else I should be looking at maybe something Dual sport specific? I will be happy to return and spend more on better gear I just don't know what is really better and what is just, "paying for the name."
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Spec,

What is the difference between the Astericks and the EVS RS8 braces?

Edit: WOW only about twice as much! So which is better and why? What does the extra bucks get you between the two?

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What is the difference between the Astericks and the EVS RS8 braces?

About 300 bucks!

The Asterisks are a bit bulky and would be hard to fit under street oriented pants. I haven't seen the EVS braces in person but they look slimer maybe not but they are a newer design.

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HAHA So much to think about! Looks like bungee cords and duffle bags will have to get the job done for now, Safety first!

Are the Icons worth even keeping?
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I did adjust them all the way till only a flimsy bit of velcro was holding them up and it wasn't enough. Guess that part of what I said wasn't worded right sorry. Looking at the sizing chart on the site you gave me I can see the problem right away, the inseam seems to be at lest 2" longer then what I am. Everything fits perfectly leg length and all, just the velcro placement is so low so I am totally confused. Either way I guess the stuff is really flimsy even if it was right.

I have seen those knee guards for MX riders in the past and those are an awesome idea! And if I dont find any that fit right away then Home Depot it will be for this trip. I am picking up my new windshield today so will be at the shop and check them out.

I wasn't trying to be cheap I just went by the few personable reviews of my friends who ride sport bikes. They have been down with Icon gear and say it kept them out of the ER a few times. Everything else is just stars and hear-say. Shops don't carry my size so all I can go by is ppl who have been there, been down, and swear by it. That said, vatrader, are you implying these are cheap pants? I have no clue what I am doing and just want to ride. So if so then are they worth my keeping even with my own knee guards? Everyone seems to love Aerostich but I have been reading resent reviews saying they are having major delivery issues the last couple months. Anything else I should be looking at maybe something Dual sport specific? I will be happy to return and spend more on better gear I just don't know what is really better and what is just, "paying for the name."
I have no idea if they are cheap or not. By your description, they seem to be ineffective, which I consider to be more of an issue than price. If they don't offer protection, I will go out on a limb and state that they have little value.

I was not being critical of your choice of gear. I wanted you to be aware that what you encountered was not uncommon. And that there are options if better protection is a concern. It matters little to me who makes it or what it costs. It must, however, do it's job.

I am a little phobic about nylon that melts into your hide when it slides down asphalt. The material your outerwear is made of is as important as the impact protection of the padding. Most of all, I want you and everybody else to discuss anything and everything related to rider safety. Until we all puke. With the technology we have, it is becoming safer to ride. We just need to help each other become aware of what is available by coming forth with our experience. I will believe another rider long before I buy into the latest marketing ploy. Money has tightened up. What is available needs to be spent wisely and I need to get as much effective life out of each item as I can. Without loosing sight of the effective part.
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Man, vatrader's response was right on. I have a pair of riding pants and I agree...I often wonder if the knee pads would still be on my knees doing a tumble. Here is what I do, and I am not recommending it, just being honest. I wear full armored gear all the time with the exception of pants. I ALWAYS wear 'draggin jeans' kevlar long underwear. Basically, this does nothing for impact protection, but would theoretically save some skin as there is kevlar woven into the butt/hip and knees. When I am riding someplace I don't feel comfortable I have a set of Icon knee pads I wear over my pants. I agree...knee pads that strap on will serve you better. So, anyway, that's what I do. Do you need knee protection? On the safety forum I used to frequent a guy posted some post biff pics and apparently his knee hit one of those raised lane dividers. It took a HELL of a big chunk out of his knee pads. I would hate to have seen the same thing happen to a knee. But, I'm a little hypocritical on this issue. I should be better about it.




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