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post #31 of 40 Old 01-09-2016, 12:28 AM
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Lockjaw, do you do many long rides with that routine? In other words, how many miles would you usually put on between chain cleaning/lubes?

Really kind of wondering what type of interval others use too.

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Unfortunately, I haven't been on a long ride in a while. My commute is about 30 miles round trip. When I do go on a rides for a few days, I just make sure the chain's clean when I leave. I'm kind of obsessive about my chains. So, to answer your question, beginning and end of trip. The longest bike trip I've ever taken has been four days with lots of highway and dirt. Cleaned the chain when I got home. And I'd give you numbers, but my brain doesn't do numbers well. I can tell you I got 25K plus out of the stock chain and it could have gone much longer. Still looked pretty good.




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I'm also a fan of the three-sided chain brush. Mine's called a "Grunge Brush." It would probably be even more effective if I cleaned it after I used it......

The only time I've used the straight bristles on the other end was during a roadside emergency where I couldn't find any field-expedient toilet paper...........



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I'm also a fan of the three-sided chain brush. Mine's called a "Grunge Brush." It would probably be even more effective if I cleaned it after I used it......

The only time I've used the straight bristles on the other end was during a roadside emergency where I couldn't find any field-expedient toilet paper...........
Well, I hope you cleaned it after your roadside experiment.
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I do a lot of touring and always carry a small can of chain lube and give it a shot every other day or so whether it needs it or not. The one thing that increases the frequency of lubing at home and on the road is wet conditions. A good non-fling chain lube like PJ-1 or Chain Wax is much better for real wet conditions like we have in Florida, particularly summers.
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I'm sorry! But eventually, you will find that your current 'Diesel' treatment degrades the 'o'-rings, and the chain expires early!
It is NOT the same diesel as twenty years ago!

Try WD40 only, or Fuel Grade Kerosene, for cleaning.
Googling o'rings and diesel brings up a lot of hits on Ford Powerstroke and a few on Duramax. Could the o'ring failures be more related to design issues as opposed to an incompatibility with diesel fuel? Didn't see any o'ring failure posts for VW diesel engines. And isn't fuel grade kerosine pretty close to diesel?

As soon as I can find an o'ring in my stock of spares, I'll run a test to see how long it lasts in a jar of diesel.
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Lockjaw, do you do many long rides with that routine? In other words, how many miles would you usually put on between chain cleaning/lubes?

Really kind of wondering what type of interval others use too.

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My pleasure is long distance rides on dirt roads. TAT x3, TCAT, GDR, SOR, the Dalton, Dempster and Campbel in the north.

Every three or four hundred miles I prop the rear up on my little PVC jack stand and short the neutral switch to run with the stand down. With the engine idling in first I spray WD40 on the back of the rear sprocket for two revolutions of the tire and I am done.

Spraying on the back of the rear sprocket is a good way to keep from getting over-spray on the brake rotor. Spraying on the inside of the chain near the front sprocket gets a little better coverage, but can get WD40 on the tire and rotor, so be careful.

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Googling o'rings and diesel brings up a lot of hits on Ford Powerstroke and a few on Duramax. Could the o'ring failures be more related to design issues as opposed to an incompatibility with diesel fuel? Didn't see any o'ring failure posts for VW diesel engines. And isn't fuel grade kerosine pretty close to diesel?

As soon as I can find an o'ring in my stock of spares, I'll run a test to see how long it lasts in a jar of diesel.
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There are all kinds of different rubber compounds to deal with all the different fluids.
Rubber which is compatible with gasoline is incompatible with brake fluid for instance.
Rubber which is compatible with diesel fuel probably does not make good tires.
Kerosene and modern automotive and even the Off-Road diesel fuel are quite aways apart.

My own cousin has now destroyed 3 'o'-ring chains with diesel fuel on his ranch bike! His Kawasaki 250 Super Sherpa only has 4043 miles on it. It is currently in my shop.
I've told him twice before to use 90 gear oil on the chain, he has plenty of it. But the fuel hose seems to be just soooo convenient!
This time I'll tell him to put Nothing On It!
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There are all kinds of different rubber compounds to deal with all the different fluids.
Rubber which is compatible with gasoline is incompatible with brake fluid for instance.
Rubber which is compatible with diesel fuel probably does not make good tires.
Kerosene and modern automotive and even the Off-Road diesel fuel are quite aways apart.

My own cousin has now destroyed 3 'o'-ring chains with diesel fuel on his ranch bike! His Kawasaki 250 Super Sherpa only has 4043 miles on it. It is currently in my shop.
I've told him twice before to use 90 gear oil on the chain, he has plenty of it. But the fuel hose seems to be just soooo convenient!
This time I'll tell him to put Nothing On It!
Wow, your cousin is only averaging about 1348 miles per chain! I know it's not a great comparison but I used to get better than 6000 miles with a Sportster that had a chain with no o'rings. (used 20-50w to lube it)

On the other hand, I hear what you're saying about the different grades of rubber that o'rings could be made of and the differences between fuels.

So, a better test for me would be log my chain mileage to get an idea as to the effect diesel cleaning has on my particular chain.
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Chainsaw bar and chain oil. Very tacky so it doesn't sling too bad.. Lubes well too. Oh and VERY cheap.. Straight Lucas oil stabilizer is about the best though. That stuff clings...
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Check out Wattman's WD-40 experiment. Google "Wattman WD-40"

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