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post #41 of 69 Old 11-17-2018, 01:16 PM
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I don’t like the WD solution either. It’s a good cleaner and temporary lube, not a lasting lube.
My sliding screen door rollers are proof of that. Simple and quick but has to be repeated regularly.
I suppose it might be acceptable if it were sprayed on your chain every 100 miles or so but who wants to do that. Not me.

I’ve been using chain wax on mine since new. The only adjustment ever needed was at the initial 500 mile breakin when I learned the chain was set too tight from the dealer. I’ve got almost 9,000 miles on it now.
Same goes for my sons last bike, a BMW S1000 RR.
when he traded it in, the dealer thought we had put a new chain and sprockets on.
I’m sold on the Maxima chain wax.

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post #42 of 69 Old 11-17-2018, 01:29 PM
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post #43 of 69 Old 11-17-2018, 01:57 PM
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I don't believe the WD40 thing either, but I'm trying it. I have too much respect for Bill to dismiss it.

So far, so good.

Thining about it, the sprockets are of an involute design, meaning that under ideal conditions nothing rubs. Everything rolls. WD-40 is not a lube at all, but it does clean things fairly well. Grit is the enemy here and perhaps keeping the rollers clean inside and out is more (or at least as) important as providing lube for the rollers. Perhaps lubing the rollers traps grit but provides lubrication and they sort of cancel out.

Dunno, but so far so good on my own WD40 experiment. I think I'm at about 15K miles and the chain is fine with no adjustments being necessary. A side benefit is that the rear wheel stays cleaner than when I was running an oiler.

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Good point about the grit. I think my son cleans his chain with kerosene and lubes it more often than he does his laundry lol.

Not so much for the KLR.

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All I am doing is spraying it down generously with WD40 a half-hour before the day's ride and letting the excess drip off the chain. I figger that flushes things pretty well.

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If not lubed under it with a good spray lube both the roller wears and the pin under it wears thin too. THIS is what causes what some call chain stretch.


In reality, the chain does not stretch. The connecting links stay the same length for the life of the chain. It is the metal wearing away in the center, combined with the metal wearing away from the sprockets that causes the illusion that your chain stretched. Keep it clean with the WD, or Kerosene, but after cleaning use a good spray chain lube to get some under those bushings.
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The bolded part of your statement is not correct.

The rollers roll on the Outside Diameter of the BUSHINGS. But they do Primarily Wear on the inner radius of the bushings. They do get looser fitting on the bushings and they no longer ride properly in the sprocket teeth. But this does not affect the rivet centers of the overall length of the chain.

It is when the rivet pin Outside Diameter's and the Inside Diameter's of the bushings wear, that it is mistakenly referred to as chain stretch. When the sealed in (by the o-rings) grease wears out, this steel to steel wear starts happening rather quickly. On un-sealed / conventional chains this wear begins on nearly day 1.

If we use the wrong kind of cleaner on an o-ring sealed chain & it destroys some or all of the o-rings, the affected chain links become un-sealed and wear erratic. This affects the center to center distances, which we then feel as 'surging' and can see as too much slack in some sections and too little slack in others.

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All I am doing is spraying it down generously with WD40 a half-hour before the day's ride and letting the excess drip off the chain. I figger that flushes things pretty well.
I've always read & believe that the best time to clean or lube a drive chain is at the end of the day.
The warm chain more readily dissipates the cleaners or wicks the lubricant into the clearances.

At fuel stops I'll park away from the fuel pumps. Spray the chain, push to the pump & fill up. Push away from the pump and then use the facilities, snack & drink. This may give 10-30 minutes of drip time/set time also.

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You're right about the warm chain, certainly with thicker, real lubricants. I'm not sure it makes any difference with WD40 since it is so thin. It's mostly solvent with some funky smelling fish oil*.













*They say it has no fish oil in it, but my nose doesn't lie. These are the same sort of people who say pro wrestling is fake. They just want to have the upper hand by denying the truth.

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PJ-1 chain lube in the yellow & black can used to work pretty good on conventional chains. It said it contained "synthetic Sperm oil"!

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"Sounds fishy to me" Tom wailed.

I think I still have a can of that PJ-1. I used to use it on my Ossa Pioneer. The can is probably flat by now.

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