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post #31 of 55 Old 02-21-2019, 08:19 AM
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FYI Damocles

The KLR650 Clymer Manual does does caution specifically against the use of energy conserving classified oils;

"When ENERGY CONSERVING is listed in this part of the the (API Service symbol) label, the oil has demonstrated energy-conserving properties in the standard tests. Do not us ENERGY CONSERVING oil in motorcycle engines".

This does not necessarily reflect or conflict with my opinion. I just thought it might be of interest to you. Like your's, my owner's manual does not mention energy conserving oil.

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Thanks for the info, Timberfoot!

The comment might be, "boiler plate," used by Clymer in ALL motorcycle service manuals they publish.

Then, again, the admonition may be a CRITICAL OMISSION in the Kawasaki literature!

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post #32 of 55 Old 02-21-2019, 08:42 AM Thread Starter
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I may be wrong and welcome the correction, but I've never seen any 40 wt class oils that were classified as "energy conserving" so I do not see why all the fuss about using it. From everything I've observed in the store, energy conserving oils are limited to 20 and 30 multi-weights and unless you're some kind of polar bear rider in the great north during winter no one would/should be considering those anyway.
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post #33 of 55 Old 02-21-2019, 08:53 AM
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Forgive (if you can) this walk down, Memory Lane!

Anyone (besides me) remember those late-night infomercials touting engine oil additives?

I think, "Slick 50," was one of the many.

Anyhow, one simply added a bit of these joy-juice liquids to a crankcase, and voila! Instant longer service life, improved fuel mileage, more power, less oil consumption . . . more-or-less, I suppose, the benefits claimed by the KLR650 PCV Valve Mod.

I wonder what became of these products, and . . . the ADVERTISING AGENCIES creating the ads. Lots of actors and spokespersons must have drawn unemployment benefits after this TV bombardment ended . . .

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Some clues, and perhaps at least partial answers to my query . . . http://www.skepdic.com/slick50.html

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Slick-50 with the Teflon that mostly stayed in the filter..

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I may be wrong and welcome the correction, but I've never seen any 40 wt class oils that were classified as "energy conserving" so I do not see why all the fuss about using it. From everything I've observed in the store, energy conserving oils are limited to 20 and 30 multi-weights and unless you're some kind of polar bear rider in the great north during winter no one would/should be considering those anyway.
Would you stop it with this shit already?

This is an oil thread. Grandly throwing around real facts and data will do you no good.

Rumor, hyperbola, and innuendo rule the day here, so get with the program. Let me give you an example: "My KLR was burning oil real bad, so I swtiched frm 10W40 to 15W50 and it cured by oil burining. So just swtich ur bike to thicker oil. Here, I made a video with my handheld iphone in prtrait mode showing how my KLR runs by sweeping it all over hte engine real fast."

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I have little to add.

When one is considering any of the V-Twin oils, Confirm that they DON'T Have a JASO MB rating. The MB rating is for separated engines.

Using an MB rated oil would be equivalent to using the "Energy Conserving" additives from the thinner automotive oils in your Wet Clutch transmission.

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Would you stop it with this shit already?

This is an oil thread. Grandly throwing around real facts and data will do you no good.

Rumor, hyperbola, and innuendo rule the day here, so get with the program. Let me give you an example: "My KLR was burning oil real bad, so I swtiched frm 10W40 to 15W50 and it cured by oil burining. So just swtich ur bike to thicker oil. Here, I made a video with my handheld iphone in prtrait mode showing how my KLR runs by sweeping it all over hte engine real fast."

Carry on.
Not sure what you're getting at here with quoting me and telling me to stop this shit as it is an old thread , but I started this thread 6 days ago inquiring as to why the T4 and T6 Rotella was JASO MA/ MA2 certified but the semi syn T5 was not...
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It was a joke, @PaddyD, a joke.

You are stating facts in an oil thread.

Oil threads usually don't have facts and data in them.

Oh, and I said oil thread, not old thread.

Anyway, sorry, I meant it as a compliment.
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It was a joke, @PaddyD, a joke.

You are stating facts in an oil thread.

Oil threads usually don't have facts and data in them.

Oh, and I said oil thread, not old thread.

Anyway, sorry, I meant it as a compliment.
Ok. I thought you must be pulling my chain , but given it is a forum and some tend to get pretty exercised over minutia, you just never know..
Also, no need for any apology. Even if you were not joking, I'm a big boy and can take criticism.

Now to the original question I had about T5 not being JASO certified. After waiting 6 days for a response for my online inquiry, I called Shell Oil today and the guy on the other end told me the only reason T5 semi syn is not certified is because Shell only wanted to pay the big $ for the two most popular oils in the Rotella line. He told me for legal purposes he couldn't tell me to use it, but stated that people had been running T4 for many years in motorcycles prior to it ever receiving JASO certification. He said in his opinion it, (T5) would be just fine, but if 30,000 miles down the road I experienced issues the co wouldn't be liable as it is not labeled as a suitable oil. He did verify that T4 and T6 are 100% certified and suitable for use in any Japanese motorcycle that requires oil within the viscosity range on the bottles and that it is not just "Diesel Engine" oil.

I also have used it in my garden tractor for years now and it has done just fine in that application too. So I have concluded that I no longer will search for the latest, greatest miracle oil for Black Betty.. This stuff is under $13 a gallon and is plenty good as long as I don't try to run it too long between changes, which I never do anyway.

In conclusion, my question has been answered.
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Ok.
Now to the original question I had about T5 not being JASO certified. After waiting 6 days for a response for my online inquiry, I called Shell Oil today and the guy on the other end told me the only reason T5 semi syn is not certified is because Shell only wanted to pay the big $ for the two most popular oils in the Rotella line. He told me for legal purposes he couldn't tell me to use it, but stated that people had been running T4 for many years in motorcycles prior to it ever receiving JASO certification. He said in his opinion it, (T5) would be just fine, but if 30,000 miles down the road I experienced issues the co wouldn't be liable as it is not labeled as a suitable oil. He did verify that T4 and T6 are 100% certified and suitable for use in any Japanese motorcycle that requires oil within the viscosity range on the bottles and that it is not just "Diesel Engine" oil.
Hmmmmm. Not unlike my own Q & A as I remembered and posted in Post # 20 above:

"Don't remember the exact question or its answer, but . . . I do remember I received a credible response from an oil company representative. I think I asked Shell why some Rotella oils were JASO-MA, and some were not. I THINK the answer was, the non-JASO-MA oils simply had not been tested to those standards (although I think the inference was the lubricants would meet or exceed them)."

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