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2slow 02-03-2011 03:25 PM

Newbie looking at a KLR
 
hello I've been looking around at the klr's and hve noticed on the internet there are alot of 09's for sale at real good price's alot of dealers with left overs was there a problem with these or just alot overstocked thanks

Tom Schmitz 02-03-2011 03:42 PM

Nothing wrong with them; they are the same as the '08s, which were a lot like all the previous years. There were some changes to the '08 model year over previous years.

The '09s will have the doohickey issue, as do all the KLRs. They may burn oil like the '08s are known to do.

I suspect the large number of new and used bikes available has a lot to do with the current economy - people are selling off toys, and dealers are stuck with inventory because people aren't buying toys.

The new bikes are selling for hundreds less than I paid for my '08.

It's a good time to buy!

T

2slow 02-03-2011 03:48 PM

thanks Tom when you say burn oil do they smoke or just use oil and how much oil do they go through thanks

vatrader 02-03-2011 03:52 PM

I don't have an '09, however, there were no recalls or potential problems with the '09's that caused it to be a bike to avoid. There were a few recalls, wiring and fastener related, easily remedied by owner or dealer. I suspect the left overs may of had to do with the economy of '09. Unless you've been pulling a Rip Van Winkle, you might be aware of the turbulent, unstable financial times we've had the past few years. With "next year's models" being available earlier and earlier each year, I think some opted to wait a few months and get the next year's model for the same money.

I also heard through the grapevine that the '09's, particularly the black ones, were faster and scared the bejeebus out of most riders.

klr4evr 02-03-2011 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 2slow (Post 74503)
thanks Tom when you say burn oil do they smoke or just use oil and how much oil do they go through thanks


The word should be consume rather than burn.

Amounts vary but could be a quart in 1000 miles.

Damocles 02-03-2011 05:01 PM

Don't think any '08's or later have doohickey issues as profoundly as previous models (later doohickeys are more robust); local dealer has 09 for $ 3999, but . . . no one on the 'Net has followed up on purchase . . .

Tom Schmitz 02-03-2011 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 2slow (Post 74503)
thanks Tom when you say burn oil do they smoke or just use oil and how much oil do they go through thanks

Sorry, I don't make a distinction between using oil and burning oil.

They use it by letting it get past the rings and into the combustion chamber, where it burns to death.

"Oh, the humanity", Tom said hotly.

Mine, like most, uses/burns copious amounts of oil. It ranges from half a quart in a 1000 miles to a quart and a half in a 1000 miles. The greater consumption is when the thing is run over 5000 rpm for extended periods.

Some folks don't experience the excessive consumption. There are several theories as to why.

The doohickey (balancer chain tensioning lever) is a better unit on the '08s and up, but the common report is that the tensioning spring is slack nearly from the git-go. A slack spring makes for a non-functional doohickey, which is a doohickey issue that needs fixin'.


T

roginoz 02-03-2011 10:16 PM

The dealer I bought my '09 from had a bunch of them left over. (Mine was still in the box when I bought it; I picked it up a few days later after they set it up.) The only difference between the '09 and the '10 that I can see is the stick-on graphics. I think the '09 looked better than the '10, but I removed the graphics and think the bike looks better. The '11 model has a blacked out engine, and the graphics look better than the '10. Not worth the extra bucks, in my opinion. You'll save a bunch of money buying a leftover '09, and not give up anything in the way of performance. Personal property tax (if they levy it in your state) will cost less, and insurance should, too. (It's a a two year old bike, as far as the insurance co. is concerned. As others have pointed out, the current economy has dampened discretionary purchases, so it's a bit of a buyer's market for motorcycles. Buy the '09, and use the several hundred dollars you'll save for farkles.

Spec 02-04-2011 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Schmitz (Post 74512)
Sorry, I don't make a distinction between using oil and burning oil.

They use it by letting it get past the rings and into the combustion chamber, where it burns to death.

"Oh, the humanity", Tom said hotly.

Mine, like most, uses/burns copious amounts of oil. It ranges from half a quart in a 1000 miles to a quart and a half in a 1000 miles. The greater consumption is when the thing is run over 5000 rpm for extended periods.

Some folks don't experience the excessive consumption. There are several theories as to why....


T


Kawasaki won't admit that they screwed up the motor on the Gen 2 bikes. They know that it's a problem, there's even a class action suit against them. Kawasaki doesn't support their customers so why should you reward them by buying new?

Find a used bike. Plan on installing the 685 kit.

Damocles 02-04-2011 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Spec (Post 74552)
Find a used bike. Plan on installing the 685 kit.

For 20 years, KLR650's were produced WITHOUT systemic excessive oil consumption problems; this with engines displacing nominally 650 cc.

Thus, I do not think latter-day oil consumption problems are a result of KLR650's NOT displacing 685 cc.

While the Schnitz kit may not be plagued with excessive oil consumption problems, the cure lies somewhere besides the displacment increase. For example, maybe the ring design/construction offers lower oil consumption in service.

Kinda hard to explain, I'll take a stab at an analog, or parable: Once, long ago, a pig was trapped in a burning house. After the fire burned out, people went in to inspect the damage; one visitor touched the carcass of the pig.

The pig's body was still hot from the fire, burning the individual's fingers; he put his fingers into his mouth to quench the heat . . . mankind, for the first time in history, then tasted roast pork!

Finding the dish deliciious, the humans of the planet, whenever they had an appetite for roast pork, would tie up a pig in a house and set the dwelling on fire. After the conflagration, the people enjoyed a feast of roast pork.

Sometime later, more efficient means than burning down houses were developed for cooking pork.

My point: Going to a 685 kit to solve the oil-consumption problem on a KLR650 seems to me not unlike burning down a house to roast a pig. You'll come up with roast pork, but more efficient means may exist to produce that menu item.

Similarly, I would hope oil consumption problems might be solved with KLR650's by means other than going to the extent of installing a big-bore kit.

What means? Re-hone? Re-ring? I don't know, but--I have a hard time getting my mind around the notion that one, and only one, cure for excessive oil consumption on a KLR650 is installing an aftermarket big-bore kit.

How would one explain the 20-years of non-oil glutton production?

For an update, other than a window of '08 KLR650 production, has excessive oil consumption continued to plague KLR650 motorcycles?

If the problem is a result of faulty design, materials, or workmanship, I'd hope Kawasaki does the right thing and warranty-repairs the afflicted machines.

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Disclaimer: The parable isn't original, see "A Dissertation Upon Roast Pig:"

http://www.angelfire.com/nv/mf/elia1/pig.htm


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