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post #1 of 14 Old 04-18-2011, 01:39 PM Thread Starter
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Issue with neutral when downshifting

Just breaking in a new 2010 KLR 650 fresh built from the warehouse. On my first ride the other day I was finding that a slight unintentional touch of the shift lever while in second (decelerating and clutch NOT engaged) the trans pops into neutral - should this be happening when rolling? or should I get the mechs to look at it?

I am a new rider by the way but when I trained on a smaller honda the instructor mentioned it was very difficult get the bike in neutral while rolling/running.
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post #2 of 14 Old 04-18-2011, 01:50 PM
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Clutch NOT engaged - meaning that you have pulled in the clutch lever to disengage the clutch, right?

Really should not be hard to tap down from second into neutral that way.

Cover the hand levers as you are learning to ride, don't cover the shifter - keep your foot away from the shifter unless you intend to use it....

I have never heard, or personally experienced, difficulty in finding neutral with any motorcycle, running or rolling.

What you are really wanting to be on the alert for is finding neutral when upshifting to second gear on hard acceleration. Then you will find it very difficult to get shifted into second gear, unless you roll off the throttle and upshift without using the clutch at all. This is information gleaned from riding 4 different Gen 1 KLRs over the years.... not sure if that issue has been totally resolved for 2nd generations, but I am not the only one to observe this situation on 1st generations.

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post #3 of 14 Old 04-18-2011, 02:13 PM Thread Starter
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Sorry - I meant that this happens when I have NOT pulled in the clutch lever - so the clutch is still engaged when this happens. For example, I downshift into 2nd to enter a tighter/gravelly corner at slower speed, both hands on the grips and I guess my left foot every so lightly touches the shift lever and I don't take note of it until I decide accelerate out gradually but then notice that I'm revving in neutral.

But you're right, my left foot should not be near the shifter if I'm not deciding to shift. I was just curious if this is supposed to happen when the clutch lever is not pulled in?
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When you're not shifting, your foot should not cover the brake or the shift lever. The ball of your foot (the part you stand on when you're on your tip toes) should be on the footpeg.

What is the oil level at? Maybe you're low on oil... make sure it's about even with the top of the sight glass when the bike is sitting level.
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It would still be fairly easy to tap the transmission out of second even with the clutch engaged when rolling off of the throttle. If one does not make a firm and positive upshift, it is also possable that the gear has not been fully dogged in, and it'll slip out very easily on decel - some have reported issues of this nature and found that the shift lever has been dragging slightly on the side case cover, which will leave tell-tale scrape marks in the paint on the case cover.

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post #6 of 14 Old 04-18-2011, 02:45 PM Thread Starter
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Ok - thanks for the info guys - will take note of your advice
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It's possible to row through the gears without using the clutch at all.
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post #8 of 14 Old 04-18-2011, 06:25 PM
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This question isn't related but close.
Do most 2nd Gen bikes click pretty loud when going from N to 1st the first time of the day? Doesn't seem as bad later on when it's fully warmed up. It's seems normal to me for the bike. My DR650 and another 750cc bike did it. My DRZ didn't do it at all; it was buttery smooth.
Just curious.
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This question isn't related but close.
Do most 2nd Gen bikes click pretty loud when going from N to 1st the first time of the day? Doesn't seem as bad later on when it's fully warmed up. It's seems normal to me for the bike. My DR650 and another 750cc bike did it. My DRZ didn't do it at all; it was buttery smooth.
Just curious.
Absolutely normal, due to the clutch plates sticking together
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Just breaking in a new 2010 KLR 650 fresh built from the warehouse. On my first ride the other day I was finding that a slight unintentional touch of the shift lever while in second (decelerating and clutch NOT engaged) the trans pops into neutral - should this be happening when rolling? or should I get the mechs to look at it?

I am a new rider by the way but when I trained on a smaller honda the instructor mentioned it was very difficult get the bike in neutral while rolling/running.
Just got my new KLR about a month ago. Isnt it great!


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