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post #1 of 24 Old 10-23-2012, 08:27 PM Thread Starter
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Did you Ever go around a gate?

I ride quite a bit on forest service roads of north Georgia, southeast Tennessee, and western North Carolina. During these rides, I have noted many, many gated roads and trails. Presumably these gates are property of the Forest Service, or TVA, or some other federal agency, who maintains them, and decides when to open or close them.

Anyhow, in many cases, a person on foot, or on a dual sport, could easily go around a closed gate. But I am wondering what the risks are if a person should go around a closed gate to continue the ride.

Anybody know?
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post #2 of 24 Old 10-23-2012, 09:31 PM
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Although I don't make a habit of it, I have went around (and under) a few. However, I didn't do it just to explore. Instead they were positioned as such so that either there was no other way to reach the destintation or the backtrack would have been impracticle. With the exception of one which was only 100 yards to the highway (which I was trying to get to) I was very paranoid of riding through. I didn't feel scared or anything, I just always try to be respectful.
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post #3 of 24 Old 10-23-2012, 10:06 PM
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Are they locked? In some cases the gates are to keep cattle restrained (gates in a fence). Protocol there is to leave the gate as you found it.
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post #4 of 24 Old 10-23-2012, 10:58 PM
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well better not let game warden find you behind a closed nfsr gate(nat forset serivce road) . up here in N.C. ....AS i don't know from personal expericance..!!!!!....

BUT understand they can/will take your bike and any possions you have,, with you...
you are treated just the same as you where poching....

That being a federal crime and would be a felony tresspassing ,,,, at least !!!!!!!!!

just like hunting,, you have to know where to ride/hunt + season/rules listed for area/species,,, an follow rules for the area... == example if game warden found you in the woods with a rifle and is only turkey season --- oh yes you lose your gun even your vechical at times ,,, an have a BIG ticket.. that is in N.C. AT LEAST---FYI---!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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post #5 of 24 Old 10-24-2012, 01:13 AM
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I can honestly say I've never gone around a gate. It just doesn't seem right to me. I figure it's not mine and there must be some reason it's there.



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post #6 of 24 Old 10-24-2012, 01:22 AM
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Nope. I don't cut around gates if they're marked as private property or no trespassing, nor do I continue up excessively muddy roads and tear them up. If they're too muddy, I'll just wait a few days longer until the road is passable without causing damage.

And yes, in this neck of the woods - or sagebrush - the typical mentality is leave the gate as you found it.
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post #7 of 24 Old 10-24-2012, 10:15 AM Thread Starter
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Just to clarify: these gates are on federal property, not private property, and comprise a steel pipe, usually painted red/orange, locked across the tops of similar post-pipes set in the ground on either side of the road/trail. There is typically no signage whatsoever. In most cases there is a gate number, or trail number affixed to the pipe. Oftentimes, there is a clear footpath around the gate, indicating that some folks from time to time make their way along the route in spite of the gate.

I would never violate boundaries of private property unless invited, but am unsure about unmarked gates on federal (public?) property.

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The way I see these gates is.....if it's locked, it's trespassing and that comes with issues. You know why it's locked and gated, I'm sure. To keep motorized machines out. Also possible people on foot but mostly us on motorized machines. The guys who don't care about their actions have ruined it for the rest of us as usual and now people and companies have taken to gating and locking up the entrances of many many places we could ride or explore because of the damages caused by others. Also, now a days lawyers are suing land owners if little Johnny gets hurt on that property and winning serious$$$$ for their clients. Up here, everything within easy riding is basically off limits. Just because of the above.

We all know what we shuld be doing when we see a gated property and especially if it's locked. If we don't own it....it's trespassing....plain and simple.

Sorry buddy.....that is how I see it.......

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The way I see these gates is.....if it's locked, it's trespassing and that comes with issues. You know why it's locked and gated, I'm sure. To keep motorized machines out. Also possible people on foot but mostly us on motorized machines. The guys who don't care about their actions have ruined it for the rest of us as usual and now people and companies have taken to gating and locking up the entrances of many many places we could ride or explore because of the damages caused by others. Also, now a days lawyers are suing land owners if little Johnny gets hurt on that property and winning serious$$$$ for their clients. Up here, everything within easy riding is basically off limits. Just because of the above.

We all know what we shuld be doing when we see a gated property and especially if it's locked. If we don't own it....it's trespassing....plain and simple.

Sorry buddy.....that is how I see it.......
...that part... That's the part that bothers me here in the Western United States. If it's National Forest or Bureau of Land Management land, WE DO OWN IT!!! I'm a "shareholder" of the Federal Government, so unless it's a military reservation or an area being considered as "Wilderness", or has some other valid reason to be locked up, it shouldn't be closed to the public.

Unfortunately, the "Enviro-Nazis" here in the U.S. have pretty much taken control of the above departments, and are pushing their radical agendas without "public" or Congressional approval, which is why there are quite a few lawsuits against those to departments regarding access to public lands.
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Here are two maps to consider:







Yeah... The "Federal Government" became the "Feudal Landholder" that the Founding Fathers were getting away from when they left jolly old England - and something they didn't want the Government to become.
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