Emergency braking... - Kawasaki KLR 650 Forum
KLR & Other Motorcycle Related Discussion Grab a seat and discuss whatever you like about the KLR or other related topics. Within reason.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 37 Old 04-18-2013, 12:00 AM Thread Starter
Threadjacker
 
Lockjaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Benicia, CA
Posts: 6,751
Emergency braking...

I found myself in a situation the other day (75 on the freeway, car in front of me slams on brakes and starts fishtailing). I stopped HARD, but got it stopped without any contact. I follow far back or it would have been unavoidable. After my heart stopped feeling like it was about to explode, I realized something. I REALLY believe in practicing for the worst contingencies and I regularly practice and feel where the threshold is. When I needed to do the right thing, my body just did it. I knew I had the distance to get it stopped, but it was damn close.

Practice guys. There have been enough deaths this past year. No doubt I would have freaked out and grabbed too much if it wasn't for the fact that I do a couple lock ups every few rides. And if I'd lost the split second I gain by always covering the levers, this story would probably have a bad ending as well.




"In a car you're always in a compartment, and because you're used to it you don't realize that through that car window everything you see is just more TV." R. Pirsig

PPMC #1.
Soon, we ride.

AKA JD Mader or you can call me "Dan" just not early for dinner.

Click my handle for a link to my homepage/blog...which has nothing to do with MCs. Free literature and music! Viva La Revolucion!
-------------------
2008 KLR 650
RIP DM - Soon, we ride.
Lockjaw is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 37 Old 04-18-2013, 12:51 AM
Moderator
 
CheapBassTurd's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Indiana/ Michigan line at the Lake
Posts: 1,585
Great call, Jaw!!!

I practice panic stops often too. Full grab on the front and just to the edge
of lockup on the rear. There's a LOT of deer and blind hills where I live and commute.
This is a necessary practice if we ever wanna meet our grandkids someday.

CheapAndStill Alive

This is my son, with whom I am well pleased." ----God
CheapBassTurd is offline  
post #3 of 37 Old 04-18-2013, 01:42 AM
5th Gear
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,179
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lockjaw View Post
And if I'd lost the split second I gain by always covering the levers, this story would probably have a bad ending as well.
+ 1!!!!!!!!!

At an off-road workshop, our instructors (International Six-Day Enduro and Last Man Standing racers) taught us, "Always keep two fingers on the brake lever, and two fingers on the clutch lever," when riding.

From your description of the incident, you survived because:

1. You maintained a safe interval from the vehicle ahead of you.
2. You developed competence in panic stopping technique from practice.
3. Your fingers, already on the brake lever (and, I assume your foot on the brake pedal) immediately responded.

I've had similar "near-misses," the readiness of the fingers on the levers helped me avert disaster, also. And, I'm not proud of it, but . . . some of these situations were a result of my own lapses (as in, hurrying, and "just this once," not maintaining a safe following interval).

I'll add another safety contributor: Steel-braided front brake line. In my view, the faster, more positive rersponse of the caliper to the master cylinder pressure afforded by the stiffer, braided brake line, translates to a few feet saved in response time. Sometimes, those few feet may be the difference between riding on and a crash.

Back to fingers-on-the-levers-at-all-times; don't know what the Motorcycle Safety Foundation teaches, but--I'm all for the practice.

Again, glad you're safe!
Damocles is offline  
 
post #4 of 37 Old 04-18-2013, 02:30 AM Thread Starter
Threadjacker
 
Lockjaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Benicia, CA
Posts: 6,751
Thanks. Yeah, I debated putting it up, but it is something we have to remember. The really scary part was how damn close it was even doing the right things.




"In a car you're always in a compartment, and because you're used to it you don't realize that through that car window everything you see is just more TV." R. Pirsig

PPMC #1.
Soon, we ride.

AKA JD Mader or you can call me "Dan" just not early for dinner.

Click my handle for a link to my homepage/blog...which has nothing to do with MCs. Free literature and music! Viva La Revolucion!
-------------------
2008 KLR 650
RIP DM - Soon, we ride.
Lockjaw is offline  
post #5 of 37 Old 04-18-2013, 05:43 AM
Lifetime Member
 
flash's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: North Texas
Posts: 1,534
Send a message via Yahoo to flash
Good on ya' LJ !!!

From time to time I'll also practice hard braking if I find myself in a good spot away from other traffic. The local high school has markers out in the parking lot presumably for band practice that I'll use for slow speed riding practice also. I dont always cover the levers, I should, but always do in heavy traffic or threatening situations. In hard braking a mirror check is in order as the threat can change from ahead to behind quickly.

Another thing I find myself doing as well as braking practice is avoidance maneuvers at speed. Pick a spot ahead and imagine say a cinderblock lying in your path, apply some deliberate countersteering to initiate a change of direction. It's amazing how quickly you can get your bike to respond. Where deer are concerned I think it's better to keep a straight line and slow as quickly as possible than try to avoid. They are just too unpredictable.

Practice slowing mid corner. If you follow the advice of "in slow, out fast" you should be OK but you never know when you may have to do it. I'll pull the clutch and gently apply the front brake staying completely off the rear. I'll take any other good advice on this as it's the most upsetting situation I've ever found myself in.

Practice practice practice and be sure you're away from other traffic doing it. I'm not much on rote learning methods but in these cases the point is to make the actions automatic and you a better, safer rider.

OK, off the soapbox.
Ride safe.

Gray-haired riders donít get that way from pure luck.

Unknown
flash is offline  
post #6 of 37 Old 04-18-2013, 05:59 AM
2nd Gear
 
Jeepflambe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Canada
Posts: 171
I practiced braking last night. Its amazing how fast it stops from 100 km/h.
One thing tho lets say,Heavens forbid I would have to lay down the bike.Is there a proper technique?
Sorry for the hijack but its sorta related.
Jeepflambe is offline  
post #7 of 37 Old 04-18-2013, 06:02 AM
Lifetime Member
 
flash's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: North Texas
Posts: 1,534
Send a message via Yahoo to flash
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeepflambe View Post
I practiced braking last night. Its amazing how fast it stops from 100 km/h.
One thing tho lets say,Heavens forbid I would have to lay down the bike.Is there a proper technique?
Sorry for the hijack but its sorta related.
Yes, never do it. Stay on the brakes. When you "lay er down" you have lost ALL control.

http://www.msf-usa.org/imsc/proceedi...rDoISwerve.pdf

Gray-haired riders donít get that way from pure luck.

Unknown

Last edited by flash; 04-18-2013 at 06:07 AM. Reason: Added msf link
flash is offline  
post #8 of 37 Old 04-18-2013, 09:20 AM
2nd Gear
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: wasilla AK but stuck in CO
Posts: 452
my buddy crashed last week , he had locked up rear wheel on gravel on edge of road from snow removeal ,, once he had locked up rear he panicked and gave a hand full of front brake and high sided and slid 70 feet .. he never felt the rear skid before and didnt learn to feather brakes to keep from locking up ..

some i know refuse to ride a bike without abs .. i think abs is ok but nothing beats driver experience and control ..

2000 army green klr
2012 blue/white /blacked out daily driver

recession is when your neighbor looses his job
depression is when you loose your job
recovery is when Obama looses his job
wayne_l is offline  
post #9 of 37 Old 04-18-2013, 09:46 AM
4th Gear
 
Spec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Gateway to Death Valley!
Posts: 1,928
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeepflambe View Post
I practiced braking last night. Its amazing how fast it stops from 100 km/h.
One thing tho lets say,Heavens forbid I would have to lay down the bike.Is there a proper technique?
Sorry for the hijack but its sorta related.

The only option is to reduce speed. The energy at impact is the mass x the velocity squared (sorry for the physics dumb down physics guys!). The more speed you can scrub off the better off you'll be.

Laying down the bike is giving up or more likely admitting that you lost control. There's no way to practice laying down a bike unless you're a stunt man.

Emergency braking should be practiced from the speed you normally ride, work your way up to it but you should be able to clamp down hard on the brakes at 65 mph if you ride at 65.

Might just need to sometime, right Lockjaw?

Glad you came out OK bud!

No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him. 1 Cor 2:9
Spec is offline  
post #10 of 37 Old 04-18-2013, 09:54 AM
4th Gear
 
Spec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Gateway to Death Valley!
Posts: 1,928
Quote:
Originally Posted by wayne_l View Post
my buddy crashed last week , he had locked up rear wheel on gravel on edge of road from snow removeal ,, once he had locked up rear he panicked and gave a hand full of front brake and high sided and slid 70 feet .. he never felt the rear skid before and didnt learn to feather brakes to keep from locking up ..

some i know refuse to ride a bike without abs .. i think abs is ok but nothing beats driver experience and control ..

One advantage that dual sport riders should have (from off-road riding) is learning how to slide the bike. The best thing to do when you break traction is usually nothing! Ride it out, the bike will generally correct itself. It's normally the riders inputs trying to stop the slide that causes the crash.

No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him. 1 Cor 2:9
Spec is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Kawasaki KLR 650 Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Emergency contact. Lockjaw KLR & Other Motorcycle Related Discussion 0 12-29-2011 04:44 PM
Brake Job Emergency Help Please TrabFTW 2008+ KLR650 Wrenching & Mod Questions 17 07-07-2011 12:29 PM
Popping noise under front braking. yautja01 1987 to 2007 Wrenching & Mods 5 10-28-2009 09:11 PM
What is normal KLR sound when engine is braking bike? Greg Introductions 9 02-03-2009 02:18 PM
Emergency kit! myhrdly KLR & Other Motorcycle Related Discussion 13 12-25-2008 09:29 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome