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post #1 of 20 Old 03-27-2014, 05:10 PM Thread Starter
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is there any differance on snell helmets

Hi guys,

In the safety subject, would there be any considerable difference between a $1xx.xx hjc motorcycle helmet and a higher price helmet of the same category?

SNELL recommend changing every 5 years right?

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post #2 of 20 Old 03-27-2014, 05:59 PM
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You can research it, but . . . Motorcyclist Magazine performed extensive impact tests on perhaps 20 helmets, and published the results in two articles, several years ago.

The helmet transmitting the least G-shock of all, including the $ 500 Snell Foundation-certified headgear, was . . . a DOT-only helmet listing for about $ 80.

So, price is no guarantee of safety regarding motorcycle helmets.

My view; either Snell or DOT certification may be adequate for a survivable crash. Fit/finish/materials/style contribute to the cost, NOT the level of protection.

This will get you started (I think it's the first of two Motorcyclist articles:

http://www.westcoastweasels.com/arch...he_Lid_Off.pdf

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/au...anted=all&_r=0

BTW, "Hugh H. Hurt," mentioned in both articles, was a professor of mine. His research, along with that of others, is responsible for the energy-absorbing foam-lined helmet you wear today. Previously, elastic suspensions abounded in, "crash" helmets, whose physical properties sometimes stored energy whose springback reaction created up to twice the G-load of the initial impact . . .

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I used to be a Snell advocate but have since changed my view....the helmet may be more survivable but the brain is not. In the end what is most important? The key point is "deceleration" of the grey matter.

Gray-haired riders donít get that way from pure luck.

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I landed head first with a fifty dollar Arthur Fulmer. It did its job or I wouldn't be here.
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i also ate it with a fulmer on. not even a headache

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Ya'll know that Snell changed their standards since that study yes?


Snell vs DOT vs ECE R22-05


DOT helmets are not tested by an independant agency. The manufacturer certifies that the helmet meets the DOT standard. Heck those stupid beanie helmets people wear can be DOT compliant.

Snell helmets are generally nicer helmets than DOT in my experience, better materials, more comfy, better quality fit and finish.

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Spec, This is constantly evolving and seems to be changing even as we speak. So what is the "right" choice? Me, I prefer the preeminent helmet makers and am wearing a Shoei and looking towards an Arai for my next. Would I go for a less expensive model? probably not. What is your head worth? I want fit, approval, and finish in that order.

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Save a couple of hundred bucks, it's only your head in there.

Bought my first new helmet when I got the KLR, a Bell on sale for $100. It didn't fit right after about two weeks with the pads settling or something. I lucked out finding a Arai XD3 on Craigslist for $250 from a cop that wore it 20 times and then sold his DR650 for a SportBike and had to have a new flashy custom painted to match one.
Went down on the KLR and bashed the back of my head in the XD3, knocked out, concussion, and the XD3 had cracked vents, some scratches, and no apparent cracks.
I dropped the Bell once and dinged it pretty good from 3 feet. Not sure if I want my head in there for a good hit or not.
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(I bought a new XD3 after the crash)

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Money is a good indicator of fit, features, and quiet, it doesn't correlate with safety.

When Motorcyclist published those comparitive tests, the "softest landing" for the brain was in a Z1R helmet, among the least expensive in the comparison. That was a DOT helmet compared to 2005 SNELL.

SNELL has since changed from "harder hits" to "softer landings".

I watch the SHARP helmet tests http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/ by the UK government. These helmets may not be identical to the models available in the US. The tests show which manufacturers consistently make safer helmets and which transfer more force to the head.

If you are looking for a flip-up, SHARP tells % of time a flip-up helmet opened in the tests.

I wear a Shoei and the $ bought me a quieter helmet and a face shield that resists scratching more than my previous one. In SHARP, Shoei consistently gets 5 stars although the helmets they test are built to ECE standards and may be different from the one I have that was built to SNELL 2010 standards. But there are other less expensive helmets that also get 5 stars.

One comment that I remember from the magazine was that ANY helmet made to modern standards is far better than any helmet from a decade or so previously. The standards have helped all manufacturers make safer helmets.
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When Motorcyclist published those comparitive tests, the "softest landing" for the brain was in a Z1R helmet, among the least expensive in the comparison. That was a DOT helmet compared to 2005 SNELL.
Just as an aside . . . the author (Dexter Ford) of the Motorcyclist article disclosing that fact (a low-cost DOT-only helmet provided the greatest protection of the helmets tested) was subsequently FIRED.

Some say, the advertisers of the high-ticket helmets were not amused by editorial coverage suggesting protection and safety did not vary linearly with cost.

One might be shocked, SHOCKED, at the suggestion advertising revenue might influence the editorial policy of a motorcycle magazine . . .

Read all about it:

http://jalopnik.com/5582380/how-the-...list-fired/all

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