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post #141 of 147 Unread Yesterday, 08:29 PM Thread Starter
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Thats nutz!

I'm now sorry that I even brought up another analysis company, Tom.

On the FB posting, Don Smith suggested that OAI (Are they the same company as Polaris Laboratories?) was less expensive than BSL. I didn't see that to be an accurate statement.
It doesn't matter if they are the same or not, or if one is less expensive than the other, with all THAT 'runa' round'!

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Sounds like business plan developed by Joseph Heller (who wrote, Catch 22)!


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...On the FB posting, Don Smith suggested that OAI (Are they the same company as Polaris Laboratories?) was less expensive than BSL. ...
OAI is one of the 'Retail Partners' where you send your oil sample to a third party and they forward it to Polaris Labs. All the Retail Partners are merely fronts for Polaris Labs.

OAI just happens to be the front run by, wait for it...

AMSOIL.

He did mention that, right?

Here's a list of the Retail Partners:

MTU Fluid Analysis Program by MTU America
DEUTZ Fluid Analysis Program by DEUTZ Corporation
Doggett Heavy Machinery Fluid Analysis Program by Doggett Machinery Services
JG Lubricant Services Fluid Analysis Program by JG Lubricant Services, LLC
MONITOR Fluid Analysis Program by Fleetguard
Oil Analyzers Fluid Analysis Program by AMSOIL Inc.
PACCAR Fluid Analysis Program by PACCAR Inc.
Quick Care by Mack and Volvo
Seakits Fluid Analysis Program by WheelHouse Technologies
Systemgard Fluid Analysis Program by Case Construction and Case IH
Yacht Samples Fluid Analysis Program by Yacht Samples LLC

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Now, all y'all know where this is going, right?

Anywhoo, I got another e-mail from the customer service rep along the lines of "Tom, In order for me to set you up correctly, I would need some information from you.What kind of equipment your going to be testing and how often?" and I provided said information.

I decided to go with a high-side estimate of my activity and responded " I have two motorcycles and one car. I would be sending samples in three to six times a year."

What could go wrong?

Now, a word about why I don't want to go through the third party thing. It's simple; they are all obviously set up to serve a narrow market and I am a general-purpose customer. It doesn't seem fitting to send my wee sample of motorcycle oil to Case or International Harvestor or Doggett or Mack or Volvo. A yacht company wouldn't want it. I'm not in a fleet of vehicles. OAI is clearly set up for testing their own products; they wouldn't appreciate interlopers with Kawasaki mineral oil. There simply doesn't appear to be a front that serves the common shade tree mechanic with one or two vehicles. I see nothing like Kragen or Auto-Zone Oil Analysis Service.

Therefore they must run all of that sort of thing direct to Polaris Labs where me and lappy can order kits form the comfort of our own home.

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Here's a list of the Retail Partners:

MTU Fluid Analysis Program by MTU America
DEUTZ Fluid Analysis Program by DEUTZ Corporation
Doggett Heavy Machinery Fluid Analysis Program by Doggett Machinery Services
JG Lubricant Services Fluid Analysis Program by JG Lubricant Services, LLC
MONITOR Fluid Analysis Program by Fleetguard
Oil Analyzers Fluid Analysis Program by AMSOIL Inc.
PACCAR Fluid Analysis Program by PACCAR Inc.
Quick Care by Mack and Volvo
Seakits Fluid Analysis Program by WheelHouse Technologies
Systemgard Fluid Analysis Program by Case Construction and Case IH
Yacht Samples Fluid Analysis Program by Yacht Samples LLC
Soon to be added:

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Anyways, I don't see a Universal Averages for our specific engine group in the Oil Analyzers Inc report, to be able to compare the performance of various samples of different brands of oils against in Don Smiths oil report. So one really does not know how well his oil performed compared to any others, in our engines.

On FaceBook, Don Smith has previously chastised my chosen brand of engine oil for its viscosity break-down and I've told him to ignore the viscosity break-down in unit construction motorcycle engines & simply look at the amount, or lack thereof, of wear metals. As long as it is thick enough/good enough to keep the metals from wearing, it really doesn't matter as long as it doesn't thin down too Far. (How far is too far? My wear metals are consistently very low on a ppm per 1k traveled.)

On FaceBook, Don claimed that OAI calls for a higher range of numbers for 10W40 graded oils than does BSLs. Yet I can't find those numbers on his report to compare his oil to.

Yet OAI had flagged his Amsoil viscosity of 9.8 in 1850 miles, as Highly Abnormal (light brown #3 in the upper RH corner)! And four items flagged as #2's (Abnormal).
Yes, his 3.2% fuel dilution is part of what has thinned his Amsoil viscosity down to that 9.8 mark.

I wonder why the engine oil additive metal 'Magnesium' with a ppm count of 167 was flagged as Abnormal? My most recent BSL report shows a UA of 212ppm based upon 52 samples of various oils from KLR engines.

BSLs has never given my chosen engine oil, which was used in my engine, any cautionary flags in 5 samplings.

I truly look forward to more Amsoil samplings from Don Smiths engine.

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Success! After only one more e-mail I now have an account with Polaris.

Fine and dandy, me and the lappy are off to the store.

A basic oil test is $24.29 and seems fairly comparable and competitive with what I am used to, so that's what I ordered.

Upon checkout, I find that the shipping from Indianapolis, IN is $31.85. That is the least expensive option.

That dog won't hunt. Ain't even a nice dog. Wretched, mean, spiteful, straight-razor totin' dog. Sorta like Polk Salad Annie's mom.

Now, being a stubborn cuss, I can't just give up yet. There is one more option, and that is to try and go with JG Lubricant Services. This is one of their retail partners and seems to be for the common man, a partner I conveniently overlooked in my zest for mirth, satire, and a general rant.

The basic kit is $23.49 and shipping is $14.97. Let's call it $38.50 all-in.

Blackstone Labs is $28, all-in.

I'm going to do this, once, just once, so we can have a side-by-side of the same oil, same sample, two different labs. This fulfills my obligation to provide amusement and useless knowledge for the first quarter of 2020.
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