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post #11 of 131 Old 12-10-2014, 08:12 PM Thread Starter
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The only thing I can say is, "WOW"! The Aluminum and Iron are almost 'off the chart'.
Don't panic, yet!
The silicon seems 'weird', to me. I thought 'silica' was sand. And 'silicon' was a synthetic petroleum product?

The viscosity, Is holding better than my Kawasaki oil, though. Not much consolation tho.

The only RTV silicone on my engine, is 2 little dabs, on the alternator wire grommets.
Thanks for sharing.

ps, What oil DID you use at the change, if I may ask?

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Maybe I gotta quit whipping Black Betty so hard...



I've got another kit on hand and will pull another sample at 2,000.

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I don't understand the 'Insolubles'. 0.4%!
Aren't aluminum, chromium, iron, 'silica' an 'Insoluble'?

The chromium and iron are over Double.
I guess, it's about correct on an average. 0.4%, about double of 'Universal Averages', over-all.
Don't panic. Maybe, change your Brand of oil, Early.

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Paul-

It was ridden real hard this time. WOT in third and fourth up every grade and pass encountered in Utah, Wyoming, and Montana. Ran 70-80 everywhere else except Yellowstone, where I sorta observed the speed limit.

Same story running up into the Sierras and into Death Valley. There was a lot of high temps, too - up in the 110 range coming home from Montana.

That was Rotella, and I replaced it with Rotella.

I'm not worried until I see the next one.

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Paul -

I am a newbie at this stuff, so I referred to this to understand: http://www.blackstone-labs.com/report-explanation.php

Apparently, 'insolubles' are from oil oxidization with blow-by gases.

I agree on on the silicon/silica issue, though. On their explanation that lump sealers and airborne grit under "silicon" and that doesn't seem correct. The only explanation I can think of is that, when they do their chemical analysis, silica and silicon look the same (silica is an oxide of silicon, which is an element) to whatever the detection agent is and so they lump them together.

It is easy to confuse silicon with silicone. Silicon is a natural element, while silicone is man-made from silicon and other chemicals. Silicon is used as a semiconductor in microchips and such, and silicone is usually a rubbery substance that is a non-conductor.

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We do have the same riding style.

ps Tom, And thanks for the explanation to all of us about the silicon / silicone / silica, Family Resemblances.

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post #16 of 131 Old 12-11-2014, 09:32 PM Thread Starter
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Do you have a 'Magnetic' Oil Drain Plug??

I installed a Motion Pro 'Oil Filter magnet' Ring, at the 63,944 mile mark, when I started my 'Project'. First Magnet ever in my engine! Looks like the best place to me. Catches the 'fine stuff', which come thru the oil screen!

I think the first one, (I now own 3) may have picked up ferrous material from 63,944 miles of Previous Useage! The heavy Iron settles to the bottom, before it all drains Out. If we catch the 'fine stuff', the first time, it keeps it from becoming 'Finer'! And ending up 'microscopic', suspended in our Oil Samples.

I could be incorrect, just some of my thoughts.

Eventually, I will install one of my used oil filter magnets onto the Back-End of the oil filter, to maybe catch ferrous material before it goes THRU the cold start By-Pass Valve.

No reason other than $'s, that one couldn't use 3 magnets in our engines.
Drain plug and each end of the oil FILTER! They are Re-Useable, as long as one Remembers to remove, wipe and re-install on New Oil Filter.

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On an average week, I turn in 40 to 50 oil samples. I am a heavy equipment mechanic and we use these samples to look for trends. One sample in and of itself will not necessarily predict problems. I wish I hadn't deleted my electronic copies of my KLR samples. I rarely run the same brand of oil, so the Rotella comparisons wouldn't be apples to apples. I've had no coolant entry or high wear metals in my samples, which is good! My interval runs 3-5,000 miles. I'm waiting to do the first real oil change since the 685 install and see if anything changed.

WHen you guys do your samples, make sure you let the oil run out of the the drain plug for a couple of seconds before you stick the bottle in the stream and make sure your drain plug area is CLEAN before draining the oil.

I'm curious what Blackstone charges for their analysis.

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My sample may have been tainted because I didn't catch the early part of the drain; it was more towards the latter part of the drain. I learned you're supposed to let a wee bit drain out, then shove the bottle under there while the stuff is gushing out all over the place, thereby burning your hand. I waited until the drain slowed down to a "don't burn the crap out of your hand in the hot oil" level.

Live and learn.

Blackstone charges $25.

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I used a clean Glass 16oz 'salsa jar' to capture my 2 different samples.
Less likely to slobber hot oil over my hands trying to hit a small neck sample jar and No Mess on official sample jar. Also gives 'spare sample' if first were to get lost in the mail.
My samples were taken after about the first quart was in the pan, just as Blackstone suggests on their web site. www.blackstone-labs.com

As Tom said $25.00 fee and I remember less than $3.00 for my postage.

Also I like the 'lay-out' of the Blackstone reports. Easy to read and compare to other Blackstone reports.

Tom, I don't think it matters a bit that you may have caught the last 8-16 oz.

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Paul -

I do have a magnetic drain plug and it always has a bit of fuzz on it at each oil change. I think that's pretty normal.

I have some ring magnets that I need to check and see if they will fit over the bypass tube.

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