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post #1 of 26 Old 08-05-2016, 08:05 PM Thread Starter
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Sabotage??

I work nights and am the machining lead at work. I lock the doors and turn off the lights at our plant and am the last to leave. I park my bike in a training room that really no one has access to. I give myself this "perk" due to I don't care to lock up and walk out into bfe after my shift. Last night I was getting onto the KLR. I don't know about you guys but I don't wiggle myself on to my bikes. For as long as I can remember I place my left foot on the left peg, raise my body up and swing my leg high over all rear luggage, etc... I get off the same way, left foot on left peg, raise up, and off the left side. This morning I went to put my foot on the left peg but it gave way and fell off. The bolts had either come loose all the way to just one or two threads in or had been tampered with!

Now I can take a joke as well as anyone BUT this is pretty dangerous IMO. I could not put the bolts back in because due to being on or two threads in had stripped out the bolt because of my weight and had stripped out the mounting point on the frame. Besides that my center stand was also flopping down. Without repair shifting would be difficult at best and the center stand might catch on something, like the freakin chain!!

For quite a while I was extremely pissed but I just could not say for certain that it was sabotage. It certainly appeared to be but???? I know for certain that when I installed the center stand that I used the supplied bolts, which I thought to be too short, and used blue lock tight. I'm a machinists so an issue such as this is a non issue. For anyone else without the tools and no how would be about as bad as a flat tire. If it is sabotage I can do nothing as due to the new parking policy I was a violator. I'm a lead at work and I will probably resign my lead if my "perk" is removed. I won't turn lights out, I won't lock the doors or gate. I won't continue to be the senior technical resource. Maybe that is infantile or adolescent attitude but I just feel I should have some privilege for being the last one out and securing the plant.

So I get some tools. One .295 drill bit, a m8 form tap, tap handle, cordless drill, a bit of oil, and some loctite. I gently drill into the mount holes to make sure the hole is too size and a bit deeper. Done, I use a m8 form tap and actually get another 1/4" more of thread. I find an appropriate length SHCS that just bottoms out. Put a washer on SHCS, loctite, and tighten away. Now the left side is done so I decide to do the same to the right. Bolts are loose! Repeat process on right side. Is there anything else loose? Handle bars? Triple clamp? Who knows??

So was it sabotage? I may never know. I'm not going to say anything at work to see what rumors and possible snickers are out there. If sabotage do I take action or just let it lay out? I am of the attitude that you NEVER touch another mans ride or it would be the same as violating the same mans wife. A death sentence seems most appropriate! LOL JK! I am pissed though.

So in all if it was sabotage it was actually a blessing in disguise. After trying to thread the peg bolts in and seeing again how short they were I was glad to give myself more security and stability with longer, just as sturdy bolts. I really hate to think that one of my coworkers would do this and if so I will have to decide how to approach such a sensitive subject as violating my ride and endangering my safety or life.

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I really doubt it was sabotage.

a) foot peg bolts coming loose on the KLR is a very common occurrence. They need to be clean, properly torqued, Loc-Tited, and checked as a part of every oil change. Doesn't much matter if you are an accountant, machinist, rocket scientist or Indian chief. They come loose. People don't believe that, but it keeps being true.

b) a center stand on the KLR is a bad idea because of the above. The center stand mount makes the above worse because the pegs are spaced out from where they should be, providing a longer lever to work at the threads. Plus, the center stands often don't fit for beans because the mounting plates aren't flat and the provided bolts are neither the right length (it sounds like the ones you were given were too short, so there was less thread engagement than possible. Usually you want a diameter and a half of thread engagement) nor a very high grade. If you have a small fishing skiff you might want to re-purpose the center stand as an anchor.

c) a typical saboteur would do something a lot easier, less dangerous, and funnier. Like shoe polish on your seat, Styrofoam packing peanuts in your muffler, flipping your kill switch, etc.

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I really doubt it was sabotage.

a) foot peg bolts coming loose on the KLR is a very common occurrence. They need to be clean, properly torqued, Loc-Tited, and checked as a part of every oil change. Doesn't much matter if you are an accountant, machinist, rocket scientist or Indian chief. They come loose. People don't believe that, but it keeps being true.

b) a center stand on the KLR is a bad idea because of the above. The center stand mount makes the above worse because the pegs are spaced out from where they should be, providing a longer lever to work at the threads. Plus, the center stands often don't fit for beans because the mounting plates aren't flat and the provided bolts are neither the right length (it sounds like the ones you were given were too short, so there was less thread engagement than possible. Usually you want a diameter and a half of thread engagement) nor a very high grade. If you have a small fishing skiff you might want to re-purpose the center stand as an anchor.

c) a typical saboteur would do something a lot easier, less dangerous, and funnier. Like shoe polish on your seat, Styrofoam packing peanuts in your muffler, flipping your kill switch, etc.

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Sounds a lot more realistic...
I didn't know that about center stands, my bike came with it, until about a month ago I thought they were OE... LOL. I will be checking that out real good tomorrow, thank you!

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I agree with Tom. A saboteur would flatten the tires. I would grease the handgrips on the underside and turn off the gas petcock. I might ever make the seat disappear or disconnect the spark plug wire. Applying extra weights to the rear wheel might be a little excessive but for sure I would never, ever loosen handle bars or foot pegs. I might TAKE a foot peg but I wouldn't just LOOSEN it!!

Years ago a young lad I worked with did a small prank on my car. I put a stop to that forever with one question. "I can take YOUR car apart down to the last nut and bolt. Can YOU put it back together?" Never had another prank done to one of my vehicles!

I really think it was not sabotage. Fix it up and keep an eye on it. You know the saying....If it has tits or tires it will give you trouble!!
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I agree. Someone wants to **** with you, they open the oil fill or flip the kill switch or dump the air - vibration is your saboteur.




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Looking at the peg mounts it appeared to me that the front could be drilled through, bolted through, and either a lock nut on the inside of the frame or a nylock nut. Safety wire could also be used which seems would involve drilling a hole between the two peg mounting holes and probably through the frame.

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You could safety wire from one bolthead to the other. I don't have a center stand and have never had them loosen on either KLR I own.
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So drill a hole through the bolt heads then safety wire?

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Yes. It can be just through the corners or edges closest to each other when torqued up. It doesn't have to go right through the width of the bolt head.
I really think it is overkill though.

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post #10 of 26 Old 08-06-2016, 05:51 AM
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I've never thought of somebody messing with my bike to hurt me... Very scary.
My dad always taught me "NEVER MESS WITH A MANS WOMAN OR HIS WHEELS"
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