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post #1 of 39 Old 09-26-2016, 03:57 PM Thread Starter
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Tubeless-with-tubes, versus Tube-Type Tires

Was in the process of transferring some brand-new Continental Trail Attack tires to a KLRista; when he discovered the tires were TUBELESS, he ran, screaming, from the room!

Said he would procure some tube-type tires, instead.

To each his own; I considered tubeless tires, with inner tubes, less likely to shed their rims than tube-type tires, because of the bead construction.

So, what say ye, o knowledgeable motorcycle aficionados? Was my prospective customer wise in his choice? Must I EAT these tubeless tires, unless I can find a BMW rider who wants them?
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post #2 of 39 Old 09-26-2016, 04:39 PM
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I will be sealing my rims and ditching the tubes the first excuse I have to break a bead!!!
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I agree with you; as you know there is no problem running tubeless tires (with tubes, of course) on tube type rims. They tend to fit a bit tighter and can be a bit harder to install/break the bead.....but no other disadvantage that I'm aware of and they SHOULD stay on the bead better in the event of low pressure. I think your customer is just ill-informed.

As far as running tube-less goes; I'm happy my bikes have tubes: it might be harder to install a new tube vs. stuff in a plug but if you have damage that a plug isn't going to fix, you're screwed......plus if you've ever tried to reseat a tubeless tire with a hand pump or a little 12V compressor, you're in for a treat!

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Damocles,
I don't know about the original "Trail Attack's", but the currently available Trail Attack 2's are only available as TL (Tubeless).
So I'll also suggest an ill-informed customer.
And I also like the tighter fitting beads of a TL tire on my inner tube equipped KLR.

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Will the stock tires run without tubes or will I have to wait till I need tires?
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The stock KLR rims aren't designed to run tubeless. The tires won't care, but they lack of a safety bead seat will. The inflated tube on a tubeless tire is what presses, and holds, the tire on the bead.


Don't flame me if there are models that do have safest rims, but my '03 sure doesn't.
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shinyribs,
Have you had your rear tire off yet?

The rear rim of all the stock and standard KLR650's that I have changed tires on are of the TubeLess safety bead design. (But we do have 36 leaky spokes. this info for the noobs.)

The front rim does Not have the safety bead design.

The standard OEM TubeType Tires have the typical loose fitting tube type Beads. They will almost "self-dismount" when one has a flat! Can be very Scarey!

A Tubeless Rear Avon Gripster, Kenda K761 or Shinko E705 will snap-on tight enough to make many home mechanics cuss when they finally wear out or do get a flat.

A Tubeless Front tire used on the front KLR rim is barely snugger that any Tube Type tire.

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It is perfectly fine to run tubes in tubeless tires Damoclese. Here is a quote from Continental's site:
All TL/TT-sidewalled tyres can be used with a tube without decreasing the speed range (except Z rated radials).
ALL Continental tyres labelled TL can be fitted to rims/wheels marked Tubeless. They can also be fitted on Tubed Type rims/wheels with a correctly sized Continental inner tube.
Here is the link to the page quoted from:
Technical Information | Continental
So tube type can be run with tubes no problem!
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shinyribs,
Have you had your rear tire off yet?

The rear rim of all the stock and standard KLR650's that I have changed tires on are of the TubeLess safety bead design. (But we do have 36 leaky spokes. this info for the noobs.)

The front rim does Not have the safety bead design.

The standard OEM TubeType Tires have the typical loose fitting tube type Beads. They will almost "self-dismount" when one has a flat! Can be very Scarey!

A Tubeless Rear Avon Gripster, Kenda K761 or Shinko E705 will snap-on tight enough to make many home mechanics cuss when they finally wear out or do get a flat.

A Tubeless Front tire used on the front KLR rim is barely snugger that any Tube Type tire.
I did put new tires on my bike when I got it. I did the front tire while a buddy changed the rear. By the time I got the front tire off and saw no safety beads my buddy already had the rear back together. I was surprised to see no safety beads, so I asked him about the rear. He thought for a second, then said " I don't think it did..." I figured it was safe to assume that rear didn't, since they didn't put one up front. I wonder why they did that?


You mentioned " leaky 36 spokes". Is there a reason that a rim with 36 spokes is prone to leak vs a rim with 38 or 40 spokes?
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How timely.

I just received a set of K60 Scouts. The rear is tubeless.

I'm having an absolute bear of a time reseating the bead. I've lubed, pried, bounced, and pounded the tire to no avail. The problem areas only rotate to another part of the rim. Airing down and reinflating several times didn't help, either.

I'm going to have to take it to a tire shop and have them lube it up and "super inflate" it. My small compressor just can't get the pressure high enough to force the bead into place.

I'll also have to track down a 2 oz spoke wheel weight. I only ordered a few small ones and, although they'll slow down the rotation on a static balancer, they don't stop the oscillations entirely. Think a nearby Harley shop would have some?
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