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post #11 of 57 Old 03-11-2017, 04:20 PM
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I've raised UNPOPULAR, and even CONTROVERSIAL, questions about long-distance motorcycle rides: WHAT ABOUT SAFETY?????????

Crew rest rules apply to piloting airlines, even to driving commercial trucks (as in, "Six Days On The Road," the line, "The ICC is checkin' on down the road").

Yet, somehow, the vigilance and competence of a motorcycle rider does not deteriorate at all over a long period of riding. Neither the rider, nor anyone else on the road, has his safety and competence compromised by fatigue.

How/why is this exception made for motorcycle riders? While medical surgeons may work long hours, they do not pull marathon shifts like Iron Butt riders--or, if they do, do you want a doctor operating on you after 23 hours and 59 minutes of cutting on the table?

So, what say ye, fans of long-distance uninterrupted motorcycle riding? Is there no price to pay for fatigue? If fatigue might be a psycho-physiological issue, how to motorcyclist compensate for typical and normal effects of fatigue (e.g., limited vigilance, slower responses, less-acute perceptions, loss of strength and endurance, etc.)?

What does the Iron Butt Association say about the consequences of fatigue? The Motorcycle Safety Foundation? The AMA (that's, American Medical Association)? The National Transportation Safety Board? The American Automobile Associaton? Other?

Just askin'!

DISCLAIMER: I ain't preachin'; I'm only ASKIN'! If a motorcycle rider is NOT impaired at all by fatigue, I'll join you in joyous celebration. Please inform and educate me, how a rider's competence is in no way diminished by fatigue as a function of long-distance riding (in contrast to that of airplane pilots and long-haul truckers).
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Damocles,
Most long time motorcyclist's that I know are a little more aggressive, a little more determined, a little more self-reliant, a little more sporting, a little more of most every trait that a newer motorcyclist might hope to emulate.

I had a new customer in the early '90s which purchased a new Kawasaki Voyager 1200 Full Dress touring bike. A psychologist at a local state institute.
2nd or 3rd year of riding, touring in the mid-west, he got up and had breakfast with several cups of coffee, hit the road and fell asleep about 30 miles out of town.
Luckily he hadn't yet put the bike on Cruise Control, so it wound up being a fairly slow tip over.

I guess what I am trying to say is that there are motorcycle riders and then there are Motorcyclist'! And we all can occasionally hit the dirt.

Gravity wins eventually.
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Thanks, PDW!

Deprived of sleep, might even aggressive and determined riders experience some loss of vigilance, moreso than when they've had adequate crew rest?

I'd think the FAA, the DOT, the NHSTB and the ICC operate under such a premise.

The IBA? Maybe not so much!

Fatigue my not be a factor in motorcycle accidents, or fatigue may somehow be specifically eliminated from IBA runs.
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post #14 of 57 Old 09-29-2018, 03:35 PM
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I turned 50 this summer, this past Thursday and Friday (Sept 27 and 28) on a whim I went out completed the Iron Butt Saddle-Sore 1000 (riding 1000 miles in 24 hours) and the Bun-Burner 1500 (riding 1500 miles in 36 hours) on my 2012 KLR 650 with a factory seat running TKC80 tires. It was no big deal. Those who say KLRs are not long distance bikes are selling the bike short, or just simply want way more out of their bike than I do apparently. I would have completed the 1500 in 26 hours but I was getting pounded with rain for 12 hours straight so I got a room for 4 hours to catch some sleep and hope rain would end, it did.
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RIDE ON, Brother! And welcome to the Forum!!

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post #16 of 57 Old 09-30-2018, 07:48 AM
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I've been a IBA member for a few years and have 10 or 12 SS1000 under my belt or ass as it were. Saying that I'm not sure I would/could every do one on the KLR. It just does not seam like the bike for that type of ass pounding ride. All my SS1000 rides have also been on my 2 BMW's a K1200LT and a K1600GTL. My best time is 15 hours 45 minutes and longest was almost 18 hours.

If you choose to try this on the lil Thumper plan your route very well because I think you'll need every bit of the 24 hours.
And a good throttle lock. I canít imagine doing that on my LT let alone my KLR.
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Right!

A guy spoke at an ADVMoto Rally a couple of years ago . . . he completed the BIG ONE, about a thousand miles a day for a week or so . . . on a URAL! Also, he suffered from (I think) MLS; he considered riding his medical therapy . . . had to fabricate one of more PUSH RODS roadside, while on the clock . . . he was asked how he got lubrication holes in the push rods; the answer was simple . . . Urals don't have no stinkin' lubrication holes in their push rods! He had the old ones in his saddle bags to show!
Why lubricate them when you can replace them roadside with cut off broom handles?
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Comment on fatigue......Every rider must asses their own alertness each time they get in the saddle. I have had fatigue mid day. When I just completed the Iron Butt I was amazingly alert the entire way, was probably just the adrenaline of the challenge. It could also be the extra toll doing it on a thumper takes on the body. It isn't the most luxurious ride but gets the job done.

A comment about a previous post of needing all of 24 hours to do it on a KLR....... If you're doing faster just from being on a bigger faster bike, then you are obscenely exceeding the speed limit. When conditions permit the KLR can go 80 for hours on end. Going faster on a bigger bike is just careless. I can cover 250 between gas stops. The IBA requires stopping for gas at least every 300 miles. So I really don't see why it would take longer on a KLR vs a bigger bike unless you are blatantly laughing at the law and blasting down the road at tripple digits.
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Comment on fatigue......Every rider must asses their own alertness each time they get in the saddle. I have had fatigue mid day. When I just completed the Iron Butt I was amazingly alert the entire way, was probably just the adrenaline of the challenge. It could also be the extra toll doing it on a thumper takes on the body. It isn't the most luxurious ride but gets the job done.

A comment about a previous post of needing all of 24 hours to do it on a KLR....... If you're doing faster just from being on a bigger faster bike, then you are obscenely exceeding the speed limit. When conditions permit the KLR can go 80 for hours on end. Going faster on a bigger bike is just careless. I can cover 250 between gas stops. The IBA requires stopping for gas at least every 300 miles. So I really don't see why it would take longer on a KLR vs a bigger bike unless you are blatantly laughing at the law and blasting down the road at tripple digits.
I have never done an Iron Butt as that sort of thing just has no appeal to me. Fatigue is an interesting thing and I find I get tired much faster in a car than on the bike. Part of it is having less to occupy oneís mind. Sitting in a quiet, comfortably cocoon, particularly when driving west into the sun right after lunch, is a recipe for grogginess for me. I find that being on a bike, in the wind and weather, with more incentive to keep focused on traffic around and the road ahead searching for obstacles that could upset a motorcycle, keeps me much more alert much longer.

Although, I have often wondered how impaired an Iron Butt rider is after 1,000 miles in the saddle, I worry much more about the teen texting or the old codger with 20/60 vision in a huge motor home...
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My ride to work everyday is an iron butt on this bike. KLR has the worst seat in cycling history if you ask me.
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