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post #1 of 26 Old 02-06-2018, 12:27 AM Thread Starter
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The Dealership told me this was normal...

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Hi all, I've been reading around the forums a bit here and I must say you all very knowledgeable with your machines. But I'm hoping to get you all's opinion. I've had a lot of used and abused machines that I spent a great deal of time working on as opposed to riding. I finally wanted to be down with it and bought a brand new 2018 KLR 650 with 6.9 (not even kidding) miles on it. From the showroom floor after purchasing it, it had a hard time starting. Which the dealer told me was normal. I've never had a new motorcycle before so I said, Okay, but if it keeps acting up ya'll will fix it, right? They said it was no problem. Not even two days later the motorcycle doesn't even want to start on a cold night, choke, no choke or otherwise. It even stalled out on the freeway on the way to the dealership to have them fix it.

I wish I had recorded that, they told me they fixed the issue by cleaning the carburetor. So I started recording the motorcycle. Let me know, is this normal? The dealership is telling me this is all normal for a new motorcycle, but it can't be true...
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post #2 of 26 Old 02-06-2018, 07:13 AM
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No it's not normal. Any new bike starts right up with no drama. You've got a fuel delivery problem sounds to me. Take it back and show them the last minute of the video.

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No not normal; my 2000 is 18 years old and starts like a champ every time. I suspect that even with the low mileage that the bike had been prepped and run at some point and then it sat........if it had ethanol contaminated fuel in it and it sat for even a couple weeks, you can get green spooge building up in the carb. Thier "fix" makes sense in that context but then you should have no more issues with it.

All that said, it is a carbureted bike and it takes a little bit of time to get used to a routine and know how much enricher to use based on the temp of the bike and ambient temps....but it's not rocket science nor does it explain the bike dying whilst underway.

If it was my bike, I'd install a KLX jet kit from Eaglemike, pull the snorkle and swap up to an LiFePo battery (spins the starter faster) but you shouldn't have to do any of those things to get it to run right and start consistently.

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No it's not normal. Any new bike starts right up with no drama. You've got a fuel delivery problem sounds to me. Take it back and show them the last minute of the video.
I sent the video to the dealership, they told me that due to the sand on the side of the bike (I rubbed up against a soft dune), they believe the bike was dropped and they say that is the reason for all the issues.
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No not normal; my 2000 is 18 years old and starts like a champ every time. I suspect that even with the low mileage that the bike had been prepped and run at some point and then it sat........if it had ethanol contaminated fuel in it and it sat for even a couple weeks, you can get green spooge building up in the carb. Thier "fix" makes sense in that context but then you should have no more issues with it.

All that said, it is a carbureted bike and it takes a little bit of time to get used to a routine and know how much enricher to use based on the temp of the bike and ambient temps....but it's not rocket science nor does it explain the bike dying whilst underway.

If it was my bike, I'd install a KLX jet kit from Eaglemike, pull the snorkle and swap up to an LiFePo battery (spins the starter faster) but you shouldn't have to do any of those things to get it to run right and start consistently.

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They say it was stored with no gas or anything, I purchased it jan 13th and in total I've probably had the bike just over 9 days in my possession. I returned it 3 days later when it was having starting issues (and I hadn't even taken it off road at that point). That's when they said they "opened up the carburetor to allow more fuel in.". I asked what that meant, if they rejetted or what. He said they only checked the float bowls to see if they were clogged or stuck, to which they weren't. I told them "Then you haven't found the problem". That's when they cleaned the carbs, or so they tell me. I had the bike for a few more days and that's when it again stalled out on the highway and I decided to try it off road and stalled out and didn't want to start. I figured maybe I was just going to slow for the engine to cool down.
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Sounds like you need to do your own carb work to fix this. That's what I would do. Also make sure you're getting good gas flow to the carb when it stalls out.

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I sent the video to the dealership, they told me that due to the sand on the side of the bike (I rubbed up against a soft dune), they believe the bike was dropped and they say that is the reason for all the issues.

That's bull shit and sounds like a shitty dealer. you may have a bit of a hard start condition after a drop when you first start it up, but after that it should start normally again.

Might be time to visit another dealer or make a call to Kawasaki Customer Service.

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I can see if it were dropped or layed down on its side, it will flood over some and may be hard starting. In which case, you’d keep the choke off and open the throttle while cranking to clear it. I couldn’t tell if you did, or how much time passed in the video before it finally started. If the throttle was not opened, it could take quite a while to clear before it would start.
I’ve had this happen a few times on my ‘16 and other bikes and it took maybe 10-15 seconds cranking with throttle opened to start.
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Albert,
Once the engine is running and the temp gauge is near or above the 1/8 scale does the engine idle normally, with No enrichner (choke) & respond to fairly quick throttle input?

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Albert,
In your video, I don't hear much 'thump,thump,thump' from the muffler when you are cranking and the engine is Not Even Trying to ignite.

This usually suggests a low Cold Cranking Compression issue. The 1996, 2008 & 2009 units had some over-active Kawasaki Automatic Compression Releases. Maybe the issue is back, again?

But we really need to rule out carburetor issues.
Do you mistakenly open the throttle during a cold start attempt when you should only have the enrichner pulled wide open?
From the factory there is too much slack in the choke cable, but the adjuster is under the fuel tank, gotta' remove it to adjust it. Good time for the dealership to also perform a Wide Open throttle compression test! In Your Presence as an observer. Specs call for 77- 124 psi. 90-125 is usually very reliable cold weather (30f & up) starter.

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