Why not an 18? - Kawasaki KLR 650 Forum
KLR & Other Motorcycle Related Discussion Grab a seat and discuss whatever you like about the KLR or other related topics. Within reason.

 8Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 33 Old 08-24-2018, 09:59 PM Thread Starter
2nd Gear
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Michigan
Posts: 270
Why not an 18?

Given the limited selection of tires available in 130/80/17 size range. Why did Kawasaki go with a 17" rear wheel? Why not an 18?? Was there a reason why they went smaller?
Has anyone heard of anyone lacing an 18 onto the KLR hub?

Never pick a fight with an old man.. If he's too old to fight, he'll just kill you..
PaddyD is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 33 Old 08-26-2018, 06:58 AM
5th Gear
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,287
WHAT???????? Change to 18????????????

The PO of my KTM690 went from stock wheel diameters of 21 (front) 18 (rear) to 19 (front) and 17 (rear). Did he go in the WRONG direction??????????

I don't think so. The 690's a really tall bike to start with; smaller-diameter wheels lower the bike yet keep the excellent OEM suspension characteristics.

Don't know why Kawasaki chose 17-inch rear rims. KLR650s are pretty tall bikes, themselves; Japanese, demographically, might not be as tall on average as other populations. Maybe the 17-inch rear rim fit Kawasaki's seat height design goal more conveniently than an 18-inch would.

That said, unless you're riding alone in somewhere of mostly-unavaiable re-supply (for example, Lower SlobBovia), suitable 17" rear casings for the KLR650 seem reasonably attainable.

I'd hope replacement tires are available on inmates' rides; I'm not a fan of the Jed Clampett Beverley Hillbillies style of spare casings lashed to the vehicle. But, I've never been in a situation where I NEEDED a ride-along spare tire; YMMV!

--------------------------------

By the way; changing wheel sizes is VERY (un-KLRista characteristically) EXPENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring money, if you want to implant a different-sized wheel.

Last edited by Damocles; 08-26-2018 at 07:02 AM.
Damocles is offline  
post #3 of 33 Old 08-26-2018, 07:26 AM Thread Starter
2nd Gear
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Michigan
Posts: 270
Sure I can find tires. It's just that there's more off road tires in 18 and very few in a 17" dia. Maybe my question should've been , "Why so few 17" Knobbies?"

Yea, a wheel assembly is too pricey. I was thinking more on the order of lacing a 18" rim to the stock hub.. Much cheaper.

Never pick a fight with an old man.. If he's too old to fight, he'll just kill you..
PaddyD is offline  
 
post #4 of 33 Old 08-26-2018, 08:43 AM
5th Gear
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,287
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaddyD View Post
Yea, a wheel assembly is too pricey. I was thinking more on the order of lacing a 18" rim to the stock hub.. Much cheaper.
Right.

Using stock hubs, the rims and lacing only cost $ 1,170 (for front and rear wheels combined). New hubs would have raised the cost considerably.
Damocles is offline  
post #5 of 33 Old 08-26-2018, 09:00 AM Thread Starter
2nd Gear
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Michigan
Posts: 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
Right.

Using stock hubs, the rims and lacing only cost $ 1,170 (for front and rear wheels combined). New hubs would have raised the cost considerably.
Man, I sure would like to know where you came up with that figure for a set of spokes and a rim. If you or ANYONE is paying that much to lace a rim to a hub you already own you're just plain nuts.
PaddyD is offline  
post #6 of 33 Old 08-26-2018, 11:17 AM
5th Gear
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,287
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaddyD View Post
Man, I sure would like to know where you came up with that figure for a set of spokes and a rim. If you or ANYONE is paying that much to lace a rim to a hub you already own you're just plain nuts.
"Nuts?" My, are we not JUDGMENTAL, PaddyD?

Your most prominent curiosity regarding the price reported shall now be satisfied!

Check out the first line item on the list at Page 51 of this feature article (from the world's largest-circulation adventure motorcycle magazine):

Adventure Motorcycle (ADVMoto) Jan/Feb 2016

Labor is included in the price, of course.

Oh, just noticed! Article was published in 2016. Price may have increased through inflation.

Last edited by Damocles; 08-26-2018 at 11:27 AM.
Damocles is offline  
post #7 of 33 Old 08-26-2018, 12:01 PM Thread Starter
2nd Gear
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Michigan
Posts: 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
"Nuts?" My, are we not JUDGMENTAL, PaddyD?

Your most prominent curiosity regarding the price reported shall now be satisfied!

Check out the first line item on the list at Page 51 of this feature article (from the world's largest-circulation adventure motorcycle magazine):

Adventure Motorcycle (ADVMoto) Jan/Feb 2016

Labor is included in the price, of course.

Oh, just noticed! Article was published in 2016. Price may have increased through inflation.
While these may not be the exact items required for adaption to the KLR hub the prices are similar to what you would spend.

https://www.denniskirk.com/moose/alu...prd/559061.sku

https://www.denniskirk.com/moose/mx1...rd/5502464.sku

I figure this + tire and tube and you would be under $300.00 to convert a KLR rear wheel. Whether it would be economically viable or even practical is another debate. All I'm saying is you quote almost $1200 for the pair. The KLR already has a 21 front so it was not even considered by me for modification. Half of that is almost $600. I think you can do it for much less than that by doing the disassembly and lacing at home. Then the only labor involved might be to true the rim if one is not capable to do it too.
PaddyD is offline  
post #8 of 33 Old 08-26-2018, 12:39 PM
4th Gear
 
GoMotor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,233
There is only 7/8" clearance on mine now between the tire and the swingarm saddle. That is with a new Kenda 270 50/50 knobby and a new chain with 1,000 miles on it. There is only 1/2" or so in the chain adjusters to move the axle back for adjustment and that is needed as the chain wears.

An 18" wheel would cut the front clearance to 3/8" or so. I already get any slightly sticky mud scraped off the tire and balling up on the front of the swing arm. Half an inch less clearance would make it worse.

That is why I wouldn't consider an 18" wheel. But, your question was why Kawasaki didn't design it for an 18" wheel and I don't know why.
GoMotor is offline  
post #9 of 33 Old 08-26-2018, 02:00 PM
5th Gear
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,287
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaddyD View Post
While these may not be the exact items required for adaption to the KLR hub the prices are similar to what you would spend.

https://www.denniskirk.com/moose/alu...prd/559061.sku

https://www.denniskirk.com/moose/mx1...rd/5502464.sku

I figure this + tire and tube and you would be under $300.00 to convert a KLR rear wheel. Whether it would be economically viable or even practical is another debate. All I'm saying is you quote almost $1200 for the pair. The KLR already has a 21 front so it was not even considered by me for modification. Half of that is almost $600. I think you can do it for much less than that by doing the disassembly and lacing at home. Then the only labor involved might be to true the rim if one is not capable to do it too.
You asked, "Man, I sure would like to know where you came up with that figure for a set of spokes and a rim." Did I answer your question satisfactorily? Documenting the actual price paid for re-sizing a pair of motorcycle wheels with quality components, professional assembly?

In value judgment, you posted: "If you or ANYONE is paying that much to lace a rim to a hub you already own you're just plain nuts." Maybe so, but . . . we're in good company! Check out what Woody's wants for re-sizing your rear KLR650 wheel.

No doubt, you can buy the components (the rear rim you suggest seems a little narrow, to me, but what do I know) and lace the wheel yourself in a few minutes of your spare time. Congratulations on upholding the honor of KLRista frugality!

Now . . . given the unassailable geometrical limits of an 18-inch rear wheel on a KLR650, as pointed out by GoMotor above . . . what is the MAXIMUM price you'd pay for an 18-inch rear wheel?

Regardless, go for it, if that's what you want. Just . . . keep us informed of your progress on the website, in text and images. Best wishes on your project.

Last edited by Damocles; 08-26-2018 at 02:02 PM.
Damocles is offline  
post #10 of 33 Old 08-26-2018, 07:29 PM
2nd Gear
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 320
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMotor View Post
There is only 7/8" clearance on mine now between the tire and the swingarm saddle. That is with a new Kenda 270 50/50 knobby and a new chain with 1,000 miles on it. There is only 1/2" or so in the chain adjusters to move the axle back for adjustment and that is needed as the chain wears.

An 18" wheel would cut the front clearance to 3/8" or so. I already get any slightly sticky mud scraped off the tire and balling up on the front of the swing arm. Half an inch less clearance would make it worse.

That is why I wouldn't consider an 18" wheel. But, your question was why Kawasaki didn't design it for an 18" wheel and I don't know why.
Well, given that the KLR was introduced in, what, 1987, maybe 17 wheels were more popular back in them days.
Lars Kessel likes this.
Voyager is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Kawasaki KLR 650 Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Why Dual-Sport? Why The KLR? planalp KLR & Other Motorcycle Related Discussion 23 06-07-2011 11:51 AM
Why not ride one... Draigen Introductions 3 04-24-2009 09:56 AM
why the 18" front wheel Tazman KLR & Other Motorcycle Related Discussion 11 10-12-2006 12:47 AM
OFFICIAL 18" FRONT RIM UPGRADE THREAD (Part Numbers) Biker Scout 1987 to 2007 Wrenching & Mods 15 10-06-2006 03:24 PM
why the 18" front Wheel Tazman KLR & Other Motorcycle Related Discussion 2 10-01-2006 02:59 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome