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post #1 of 19 Old 11-16-2018, 12:38 PM Thread Starter
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Bad news from dealer

Ok so I just traded for a nice 1993 KLR650. Rode it 45 miles home and all went well. Rode it another 200 miles or so. Took to the dealer to install a tire and give it a once over. He calls back stating it needs a head.

My question is what are the percentage of men that would go the big bore route now or just go back to stock displacement . That sounds like a dumb question now that I read out to myself. Are we looking at roughly double the price?

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post #2 of 19 Old 11-16-2018, 01:12 PM
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I'd wanna know how they determined that....

IF it really needs a head and the bore/piston/rings are still good then maybe just do the head (and I wouldn't let the dealer do it, I'd send it to Eaglemike or Engine Dynamics in Petaluma Ca.)

OTOH, if it needs a full rebuild or you figure this is a good time for it then there is no way I'd put a new piston/rings in without an overbore - Get the 658 kit (yes, 658, the pre '96 cylinder doesn't have the meat for the 685), or get a post '96 cylinder and go 685 - as before: Eaglemike is the man www.eaglemike.com

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post #3 of 19 Old 11-16-2018, 07:48 PM
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Ok so I just traded for a nice 1993 KLR650. Rode it 45 miles home and all went well. Rode it another 200 miles or so. Took to the dealer to install a tire and give it a once over. He calls back stating it needs a head.

My question is what are the percentage of men that would go the big bore route now or just go back to stock displacement . That sounds like a dumb question now that I read out to myself. Are we looking at roughly double the price?

Thanks for looking guys!
I need to ask, exactly what prompted the dealership to suggest that your recent purchase "needs a head"?

In your own words, to the best of your recollection. I don't want to put any ideas or words in your mouth. I just need a whole lot more information.
Start with current mileage on meter, your impressions from 245 miles of riding and then his reasons/descriptions/suggestions.
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post #4 of 19 Old 11-16-2018, 11:56 PM
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Just wondering how the dealer determined you needed a head.

If the "bad head" diagnosis is valid, you must spring for a replacement head or pay for unique machining/rebuild (camshaft journals are bored in the head, fitted to their particular camshafts).

The head isn't typically associated with piston/rings/bore condition.

With the bike running well, the "bad head" call from a cursory (no dismantling) inspectionl appears questionable, to me; my own skepticism only.
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post #5 of 19 Old 11-17-2018, 07:56 AM Thread Starter
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The bike has 30k mi on the odometer. The bike was rather easy to start. Minimal cranking. It did seem a bit noisy tho. Which I thought was a loose chain.
I took it in and finally about a month later he calls and states it needs a head. I go in and sure enough they pulled the cover and I can see a couple cam journals are toast.
The bike started fine, idled fine . I couldn't believe it.
I've called EM and left a message both times but no response yet. Hopefully he'll get back to me and I'll just go that route.

Thanks men for all the replies! I've lurked on this site for a while now and I love it! Hope to have the opportunity one day to buy you a cold beverage of choice! Thanks again
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post #6 of 19 Old 11-17-2018, 08:45 AM
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O.K. It NEEDS a head!

Oil starvation the likely cause of toasting camshaft journals.

Solution: Head replacement, or . . . extensive, and expensive, head refurbishment.

Good luck; keep an eye on the oil level after repair. Piston/rings/bore condition may affect oil consumption; it that's the case, I'd go for an oversize OEM kit, I think, or an aftermarket big-bore package.
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post #7 of 19 Old 11-17-2018, 10:46 AM
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Ok, with that more complete info I also agree that it needs a head.

Or send it to these guys for a complete refurbishing. ENGINE DYNAMICS


They are the company that EM uses for major cam bearing repair. He does not do it in his own shop. And he is battling cancer, so e-mails and phone calls are on the back-burner. They can bore the cylinder for either an oem oversize piston or for the EM 661 JE piston kit. (I don't think EM sells the 658 anymore. Your pre 96 cylinder won't accept the larger 685 kit.) They have got to have the piston kit In Hand, maybe they can even supply them.

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post #8 of 19 Old 11-17-2018, 11:03 AM Thread Starter
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Ok guys thank you. So re-head for now it is! What years could I get by with? Or stay pre-96?
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post #9 of 19 Old 11-17-2018, 11:20 AM
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Chances are about 50/50 IMO, that any used head that you purchase will still need a proper & complete valve seat re-conditioning, new valves and valve seals. So I don't see that you would save any money as compared to an Engine Dynamics complete repair.

If you purchase a used head, one Must also receive the matched camshaft bearing caps which were machined with that head originally. This Can Be the reason the head is for sale, one maybe broken! Be careful.

1987 thru 2007 are mechanically identical, other than paint. The 2008 thru 2018 will need a little AIS block off plate near the spark plug. (EM sells them.)
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post #10 of 19 Old 11-17-2018, 11:26 AM Thread Starter
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Will a 2011 head interchange? I've read mixed reviews!
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