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post #1 of 15 Old 07-13-2010, 01:06 PM Thread Starter
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Better to buy New or Used ?

I'd like to hear some opinions on new vs used KLRs.

I'm looking at buying an 08 or 09 KLR. Seems that people want almost as much for a used 08 with 5k-9k miles as the dealers want for a new one.

I've found a couple of 08's for $3750, but there at dealers who want to ad a $250 document fee. That makes the bike $4000 +tax.

On the flip side their is a dealer about an hour away from me who has both Blue and Red New 09's for $4500 +tax.

So whats the advantage or disadvantage to buying new or used. I'd like to save a few bucks by going used, but its hard to find a deal on one, or to find one that hasn't already been dropped at least once.

I hate buying from dealers, but it almost seems like a better deal in the long run ?
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Man, tough Q. It's been asked a lot though, so you can search out a lot of opinions. In your case, I would get the new one if I wanted it and had the money, and the older one if I wanted to save a few. How big an issue is money? Have you found used bikes from non-dealers? A lot of people are going to say you will get an oil burner if you buy an 08, but I think the 09s have the same issue (from what I've read/heard). All these bikes are used? Any 2010's? Need more info. If you're looking at buying a used 08 vs a used 09, not much difference IMHO. If you want a new bike, that's a different story. I got my 08 new. Today, I might do different. What do you want the bike to be? Are you looking at Gen1 bikes, too?




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Used, private party, and shop for a deal from someone you feel you can trust, and you'll get the most bang for your dollar, saving money for accesories or beer..

I've bought a lot of used bikes from private parties over the years, and I've passed on several, too.. When looking at a used bike from a private party, look at the condition of the other things that aren't for sale, and you'll get an idea of the condition of the bike.. As lots of questions and if you get an uncomfortable feeling, leave..

When I bought my KLR, it was 2 years old with 1300 miles on it. The guy had 2 other bikes, and the garage and house were in good shape. He was truthful with my questions and told me what maintenance he'd performed. Now at 21K miles, I'm still happy with the purchase, as I am with my VFR, and my former 1500 Goldwing purchase..

Before I bought my KLR, I drove over to Detroit to look at a DR650.. When I got there, the bike was filthy, everything was covered in sand, and the tires were really low.. The guy said he'd ridden it and put it away without washing and it showed.. I didn't expect it to be spotless, but if I'm selling something, it'll be clean so you can see every issue..

The guy asked if I wanted to make an offer on the bike, and I told him "nope, not interested" and drove home. Bought the KLR the next day, 20 miles from home..

About 1/10th of the time, I'll buy new, and that includes bikes/cars/guns/etc. but that's only if I'm getting a great deal, or it's something that there aren't any used to be had.. The rest of the time, I buy used and I take my time to make sure I'm getting the best deal.. If I don't get that deal, there's always another right behind it.
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Good advice, Paper.




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The benefit of getting the used bike over new is having the right farkles thrown in. An upgraded suspension could cost about a grand. A good seat will set you back 300 easy. Crash bars and luggage. Those are all value added mods IMO and if you can get a bike with those mods for less than a new one, do the math.

Paying a dealer 4000 for a pristine late model with no mods? Meh.
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Paying a dealer 4000 for a pristine late model with no mods? Meh.
And a dealer is selling at a premium to pay for overhead.. A private guy is just selling a bike he doesn't ride/doesn't like/can't make payments on/wife wants gone..

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One other thing..
Cash..

Dealers don't care about cash.. They'd rather that you finance, so they can make a cut on the financing..

Private party loves cash, right there, right then..

If you can swing it, going to a private sale with cash to cover the price of the bike will save you a couple hundred, easy.. My privately purchased VFR started out at $3200 and I bought it for $2600.. That $600 paid for the slightly cracked fairing part (was fine, but I'm picky), 2 new tires, title and registration, and money left over for beer..
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Man, tough Q. It's been asked a lot though, so you can search out a lot of opinions. In your case, I would get the new one if I wanted it and had the money, and the older one if I wanted to save a few. How big an issue is money? Have you found used bikes from non-dealers? A lot of people are going to say you will get an oil burner if you buy an 08, but I think the 09s have the same issue (from what I've read/heard). All these bikes are used? Any 2010's? Need more info. If you're looking at buying a used 08 vs a used 09, not much difference IMHO. If you want a new bike, that's a different story. I got my 08 new. Today, I might do different. What do you want the bike to be? Are you looking at Gen1 bikes, too?
Well, to try and answer some of you questions. I'm looking at new and used bikes. I've ridden a couple of 08's and I liked the ride both times. I've been watching craigslist for sometime and yes there are lots of used bike that are private party, but they still seem expensive. As for going used to get a deal on the farkles or accessories that may have been added. It seems that people around here selling used 08's or 09's that have added accessories are wanting to recover every dollar they have invested in the original puchase and for the things they've added. For example a used 08 with 9k miles and a couple farkles (handgrips, etc, small stuff) for $4800 ? Lots of other used ones with no upgrades ranging from $4000 to $4500.
If I could find a nice clean one for $3700 or so I would do that.

I guess the money really is a big issue for me. I've been wanting the KLR for a long time and I have been saving towards it for about a year. I have the cash now, but I'm really hesitant to "pull the trigger". It took a long time to save, and once its spent, its spent.

I would consider a 1st gen KLR if the deal was right. Went to check out a 2007 the other day at a dealer. Drove an hour to get there and find out the dealer is a small used car dealership and their insurance wouldn't allow me to take it out of the parking lot. I was like ??? Your kidding ?
I wanted to compare the functionality of the fairing/windshield between the 07 and the redesigned 08, but guess I'll have to find another 1st gen to try out.
I want the bike for commuting to work and want to be able to carry my work stuff with me so I'd be adding saddlebags, or a trunk, etc. I've always liked dual purpose bikes, but have a street bike right now.
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It's summer. I've always thought summer was the worst time to buy and the best time to sell when it comes to bikes and boats. If you can hold out awhile longer, I'm sure you'll find some screaming deals on tastefully modded klrs.
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Well, to try and answer some of you questions. I'm looking at new and used bikes. I've ridden a couple of 08's and I liked the ride both times. I've been watching craigslist for sometime and yes there are lots of used bike that are private party, but they still seem expensive. As for going used to get a deal on the farkles or accessories that may have been added. It seems that people around here selling used 08's or 09's that have added accessories are wanting to recover every dollar they have invested in the original puchase and for the things they've added. For example a used 08 with 9k miles and a couple farkles (handgrips, etc, small stuff) for $4800 ? Lots of other used ones with no upgrades ranging from $4000 to $4500.
If I could find a nice clean one for $3700 or so I would do that.

I guess the money really is a big issue for me. I've been wanting the KLR for a long time and I have been saving towards it for about a year. I have the cash now, but I'm really hesitant to "pull the trigger". It took a long time to save, and once its spent, its spent.

I would consider a 1st gen KLR if the deal was right. Went to check out a 2007 the other day at a dealer. Drove an hour to get there and find out the dealer is a small used car dealership and their insurance wouldn't allow me to take it out of the parking lot. I was like ??? Your kidding ?
I wanted to compare the functionality of the fairing/windshield between the 07 and the redesigned 08, but guess I'll have to find another 1st gen to try out.
I want the bike for commuting to work and want to be able to carry my work stuff with me so I'd be adding saddlebags, or a trunk, etc. I've always liked dual purpose bikes, but have a street bike right now.
Ill's is right. It's tough this time of year. Everybody wants to ride. I totally agree, if you can wait, wait. If not, well, you got options. My problem (one of them) is that when I decide to do something I want to do it RIGHT AWAY. This applies to bikes, pocketknives, fishing, and beer mostly, but one could say it is a character flaw. It's helpful sometimes, but not when buying things. I would say CL is your friend. My wife and I sold her 69 Ghia recently and we ended up taking 3250 when asking for 5500. Why? Because we wanted to be done with it. All those folks trying to recoup all their farkle money are in for a rude awakening. If you want the bike to commute, Gen2 is probably for you. I dig the Gen1 bikes, but they are rougher. A lot different for a bike that is largely the same. Join all the KLR sites and check the classifieds. People are less likely to think they can pull that "well the bike cost me 5K and I have 1K in farkles, so I'm asking 5995K bullshit".

And, AND...believe me, I am throwing stones from my glass house here, Paper is right...bring cash, offer low, and enter into it KNOWING you will walk if anything is weird or the price doesn't come down. And you will find your bike.

You're ahead of the game since you have a bike and know what you're doing. Since you have a bike to ride right now, I would highly suggest keeping an eye open, but preparing yourself for a longish search. In three months, prices will plummet. Guaranteed. Good luck, man, and hang around here. You'll learn a lot and might find yourself a bike.




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