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post #1 of 25 Old 05-02-2011, 07:51 PM Thread Starter
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Those who will and those who have.

There are two types of riders, those who will go down and those who have....
Does anyone else not believe this?
Ive had a couple people quote that to me in the past couple of days and I witnessed a bad head-on today (no motorcycles involved but there could've been had I been 500 yards further down the road).
I admit, Im a chicken, if I thought this was true I doubt I would be riding. My personal philosophy and the way I drive (ride) is that every time I hit the road is a brand new time just like the very first time, the odds of having an accident start all over so it doesnt matter what has happened the previous 30 years Ive been driving. I still try to learn something every time I drive but there is no "the odds are catching up to me" kind of thoughts.
Does anyone else think the "two kinds of riders" thing is BS?
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post #2 of 25 Old 05-02-2011, 08:38 PM
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I know riders that have ridden for years and never "gone down". A lot relates to your attitude and like you said each day is a new one.

Bikes on the other hand are a different thing. Two kinds of bikes - those that have been dropped and those that will be.

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You could say the same thing about driving a car. How many people have never been in a car accident of any kind? Probably not very many. "There are two kinds of drivers: those who have been in a wreck and those who will be..." Blah, blah...

I've wondered why this old spiel started and exactly what the point of it is.

I figure it either developed as a kind of "bravado" statement, like "I ride a motorcycle and it's dangerous so I'm a bad-ass" or maybe it's just a kind of a friendly reminder that the roads are dangerous and to be as careful as you can. I would like to think it's the second, but from the way most people say it, it seems to be the first.

Hope all my tip-overs, dumps and spills from being a piss-poor off-road rider count for my quota as far as the roads go, too.

Plus, I never know exactly what they mean by "going down." Dumb-ass parking lot tipover? Trip to the ER? Fatality accident?

Let me put it this way: I never say it, not because I'm afraid I'll jinx myself or somebody else, but because I think it just doesn't make any sense and sounds lame. I do, however, use lines like "Remember, ride like everybody out there is trying to kill you" and "Ride like you're invisible." Those two things I do believe.



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I have been down a few times over the years, thank god never impacted anything but the ground , broken ribs , broken wrist ( needed surgery to pin and set) broken ego...
some scrapes and bruises still alive and taken it slower and smarter these days......
I see guys on the street and dirt riding over there head all the time... who was the old time racer who coined the phrase "ride hard and fast but always leave something on the table" ???
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I think what is implied when people say “go down”. The mean fall over or drop the bike over. Like putting the kick stand on a soft spot. You walk 5 feet away from the bike and O-SHI#.
I don’t think that they are referring to skidding down the road on your ARS….
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thats a drop Amigo.....
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I think what is implied when people say “go down”. The mean fall over or drop the bike over. Like putting the kick stand on a soft spot. You walk 5 feet away from the bike and O-SHI#.
I don’t think that they are referring to skidding down the road on your ARS….
I interpret "going down" as hitting and sliding down the asphalt. As Scout said, if the bike tips over, its a drop.
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I don't think it is BS, I think it is a reminder that we owe it to ourselves and our loved ones to ride ATGATT. I have been bad about padded pants. No more. MCs are dangerous. Mitigate the risk and ****ing ride. You may luck out and never biff. You may get swiped by an RV through no fault of your own. If you're not wearing gear, part of the fault is yours.

OP, I appreciated the tone and manner of your post, not ranting at you or anyone else. Just life. Which I happen to like most of the time.




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Become something of a fatalist over the years. Took a ride yesterday that included water, mud and twisties without any real problems. Was almost run over by a woman in a Mercedes as I walked across a parking lot to pay for fuel.
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I don't think it is BS, I think it is a reminder that we owe it to ourselves and our loved ones to ride ATGATT. I have been bad about padded pants. No more. MCs are dangerous. Mitigate the risk and ****ing ride. You may luck out and never biff. You may get swiped by an RV through no fault of your own. If you're not wearing gear, part of the fault is yours.

OP, I appreciated the tone and manner of your post, not ranting at you or anyone else. Just life. Which I happen to like most of the time.
Spot on, LJ. Some things are out of our control out there. Some things we do have control over, like the equipment we wear.

And "going down" on a motorcycle is different than a "timber" moment on the sidestand. If you are lucky, you slide down the road on your ass when you go down. A high side will pitch you on the ground in a third of a second. The best outcome will be the bike not landing on you. Those three or four seconds of flip flopping down the road with a fast approaching guard rail are as real as it gets, whether you went down or kept it up. Good topic that helps me stay in touch with some hard realities.

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