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post #11 of 18 Old 05-07-2020, 10:04 AM
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The other thing that just drives me nuts is the "counter steering". Now that's a hard one to get used to! It just feels so unnatural!
You counter steer in the dirt at speed every time you change lanes on a two track or power-slide thru a turn.

Quit thinking about STEERING and think of it as pushing that side of the handlebar Down Into the Turn, its all in the handlebars.

Practice Quick lane changes on your own side of the highway, dodge potholes, tar strips, dead critters.
On deserted roads (I use the Whole Road), one can make curvy roads out of straight highways & I use my boot toes for curb feelers and try to scrub the Full width of the tire tread. Which on a KLR, I just can't quite accomplish. I can do this for miles at a time in the wide open spaces of WY.

Next take your Left hand off of the bar & practice with only your Right Hand. It truly becomes counter-steering. Because you Push down & forward to lean Right into turns. And Pull up & back to lean Left into turns. I have a throttle lock, so I can practice with either hand.

I practice lane changes (counter-steering) mid-corner, some curves have enough length to zig-zag numerous times. I practice in the steady wind & gusty winds. I even practice during rainy rides.
You do it in the dirt, rocks, mud & sand, every time you ride. You can do it on pavement. Just keep your feet On the Pegs.
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post #12 of 18 Old 05-07-2020, 10:12 AM
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I do have a set of tire irons. The tire was a Shinko 705. I replace the tire with another of the same. I don't know if it was the original tire or not. Both bikes have the same tires on them. We purchased both used. One is a 2016 and the other a 2013. The flat came on the 2016.

While new to the "street" riding, I've been riding all my life off road. I think the off road riding is what kept me from going down. Well that and my theory of "HANG ON and RIDE IT OUT" vs "If you think you're going down, get away from the bike". The later guarantees a crash!

I've changed many tires before on dirt bikes. All are so much easier in the garage! I looked around for something to prop the bike on. There were some sizable rocks. All would have had to been carried up to the road. Plus it was getting late, no cell service where we were. I took the easy way out.

Since the flat tire and near death experience, I've done less than 100 miles. I can't shake the Chicken S**t feeling every time I come to a curve. Even at moderate speeds. I'm sure it's just more time needed in the saddle.

The other thing that just drives me nuts is the "counter steering". Now that's a hard one to get used to! It just feels so unnatural!
I also come from a dirtbike background; been riding and racing offroad since 1975. I firmly believe that my offroad experience (and hundreds of crashes) give you instincts and muscle memory to help you in situations when you don't have time to think.... As I get older, I often find myself thinking that without my background, there is no way I'd just start to take up riding at my age.... Many of my friends have convinced their wives to take up riding at 50, usually on 800+ lb touring bikes and frankly, it worries me....I try to help by offering some instruction but I know that if the "poop" hits the fan, they won't know how to react...(disclaimer, this is about newbie riders, some of whom have never been on a bike before and the challenges they face, no reflection on the fairer sex.....in fact, I've taught many women how to ride and one of them (my ex-wife) managed to hold on to the PNWMA's Women's offroad championship for four years in a row - she also took the superbike course in Vegas and rode a ZX6R on the street.....so it isn't a sex thing, just an experience thing.

anyhow, back to our scheduled programming.


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post #13 of 18 Old 05-07-2020, 10:16 AM
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I want to learn a little more about what tires guys like.
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For my "offroad centric" riding, I really like the combo of the D606 rear and Pirelli MT21 Front. Many of us use them.


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post #14 of 18 Old 05-07-2020, 10:56 AM
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I must have lightly pinched my front tube when last tire change, as it lasted about 5 months. I was on a short ride and went to park 4 lunch, and noticed front was low, so hightailed it back to camper, only a mile away. Taking it apart, I noticed scuff mark from tire iron. I think my new and spare tubes are the Dunlop, as they are very thick, and not cheep.
When I get to my summer stay, im going to use the,,,, tire minders I have on my camper for telling temp and psi,,,, on the bike, as I already have them. The summer place I do 100-150 a day, when out and about.
The tire minders I got were about $160 for 4 sensors and the monitor will monitor 5 tires.
( for the OP, glad your ok)
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post #15 of 18 Old 05-07-2020, 09:54 PM Thread Starter
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For my "offroad centric" riding, I really like the combo of the D606 rear and Pirelli MT21 Front. Many of us use them.


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I'll definitely look into those.

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post #16 of 18 Old 05-07-2020, 10:21 PM
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The other thing that just drives me nuts is the "counter steering". Now that's a hard one to get used to! It just feels so unnatural!
Congrats good buy...
You could always find two weeks and go for a long ride. Hit the mountains, find some canyon runs, think Utah, Montana, Colorado, and even just outside Sturgis black hills are the best riding. You’ll get it, like previously stated don’t think about, just do it.

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post #17 of 18 Old 05-08-2020, 02:05 PM Thread Starter
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Sounds Great! Only checking out for a couple of weeks is near impossible. 4 years, 1 month, 2 days, 11 hours and 56 minutes. Oh...Now 55 minutes!
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post #18 of 18 Old 05-10-2020, 11:23 AM
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Dave, I learned something new today. My two previous bikes ran tubeless tires so I never needed to worry about tubes. In fact I wasn’t sure which tubes I would use next tire change. Now I know I’ll use rubber tubes for sure.
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