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02-15-2016 02:07 PM
bsklr
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Originally Posted by Fox Fader View Post
The Versys is not even classified as an off-road vehicle by Kawasaki anyhow. They boast long suspension travel on the Versys, but I don't understand why. My guess is marketing.
Yeah. I don't understand the "long suspension" description either. They get considered for "adventure" (partly off-road) in comparison to high displacement dual-sports (650cc -- DR650/KLR650) due to displacement, price, and standard, upright seating position with suspension, frame, and underbelly being their downfall. Of all the bikes considered for "adventure", the DR650 probably needs the least modification for dirt and the more road worthy the bike gets, the more modifications seem to be needed for dirt (KTM's excepted). Thus very few of the bikes considered for adventure are classified for any serious dirt out of the crate.
02-15-2016 12:53 PM
bsklr
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Originally Posted by GoMotor View Post
If I were to test ride one, I would ask them to lay it on its side and give me a box of sand to stand in. If couldn't pick it up by my self, it wouldn't work for me.
Yeah. I think that's going to be the litmus test for more than a few.

At 500 lbs. how much risk ya gonna take? The COG isn't low.
I suppose if you are always riding with partners, and you know the terrain is doable, you have choices.

AT Versus...

VStrom 1000 - slightly less weight (but not much more than the VStrom 650), less travel, about the same displacement as the AT

Super Tenere - more weight, less travel, more displacement

Nobody is going to know the downsides and weaknesses of the AT for at least a year. There are other low mileage, used bikes that might grab me on how heavy my wallet is after acquisition.

Maybe the AT as another addition to the stable, but my KLR isn't leaving and not my bagger either. I've exercised both enough to know why I like them. That said I think there is going to be no lack of buyers for the AT and I might be one of them (don't tell my wife).

My low mileage Versys 650 with extensive farkles would have to depart despite riding on rails through curves --and that would be a hit to the wallet but not much love lost though it has taught me that I can get (Whoohoo!) excited at that displacement.

Waiting on price, and maybe the experiences of early adopters, but the suggestions have been $13K.

VStrom 650 ($8K), Triumph Tiger CX ($12.5K), VStrom 1000 ($12.6K), BMW 800 GSA ($13.5K), Yamaha Super Tenere ($15K), KTM 1190 Adventure R ($17K), and BMW R 1200 GSA ($18K). Left overs and light used not considered for comparison (but are always in the mix even if the local CL pickings have been abysmal this year.)
02-15-2016 11:46 AM
Fox Fader The Versys is not even classified as an off-road vehicle by Kawasaki anyhow. They boast long suspension travel on the Versys, but I don't understand why. My guess is marketing.
02-15-2016 10:55 AM
DPelletier
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Originally Posted by bsklr View Post
+1

The Versys 650's I've seen off road were either set up badly or had A LOT of money and time spent on them with the extreme being shoehorning a Versys motor into a KLR frame (might as well have built the bike around the motor from scratch.) As also mentioned, 17" wheels don't work well off road, the tire selection is abysmal, and Cogent won't be fixing the suspension. The only attachment opportunities for crash bars and skid plates is engine mount bolts. The plastic tank shrouds are particularly vulnerable at forward mounting points. Water crossings might not end well. The after-market is slim.

I completely agree; I've had this discussion a dozen times, including the Versys forum where my point of view wasn't well recieved (gasp!)

Even a stock Gen2 is twice as capable offroad as a modified Versys IMO. The suspension sucks, travel is too short, exhaust is vulnerable, cast wheels are a poor choice, bike is heavy AND the 17" wheels aren't nearly as good both dynamically as well as for tire choice. Even with the stock POS rear shock, the KLR's Uni-Trak is FAR superior.

Heavily modified Versys' can be made semi-dirt capable but they still fall well short of a dual sport/dual purpose bike. In comparison, A KLR can be relatively easily (and cheaply) modified to be a fairly good offroad mount. My Gen1's weigh 350 lbs, have really good suspension with 9.1" travel front and rear, good brakes and no vulnerable bits. .....they also don't have 60hp which would be nice on the pavement, but it doesn't make up for all the rest in the dirt.

2 cents,
Dave
02-14-2016 03:26 AM
bsklr
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Originally Posted by DPelletier View Post
...I don't consider the Versys to have any real off pavement capability (I did do some mild offroad on mine but it sucked) so I don't think the Africa Twin and a Versys are direct competitors either...
+1

The Versys 650's I've seen off road were either set up badly or had A LOT of money and time spent on them with the extreme being shoehorning a Versys motor into a KLR frame (might as well have built the bike around the motor from scratch.) As also mentioned, 17" wheels don't work well off road, the tire selection is abysmal, and Cogent won't be fixing the suspension. The only attachment opportunities for crash bars and skid plates is engine mount bolts. The plastic tank shrouds are particularly vulnerable at forward mounting points. Water crossings might not end well. The after-market is slim.
02-13-2016 08:31 PM
Joker357 By the looks, I think it'll be a good bike with some interesting characteristics and to help the industry to progress. I was holding out, but then pulled the trigger on my new KLR. I am familiar with the KLR, like the price and the fact I can do much of the work myself.

Will it be better than KTM, BMW, Triumph,etc.? That remains to be seen and what you want in a bike. The transmition choices could help bring in more people. Honda dealerships are easier to find than some. kTM, BMW and Triumph dealers are all more than an hour away from me where Honda, Kawasaki, etc. Are just a few minutes. That could also influence people.

The African has a larger front wheel than the Versy, Vstrom, etc. Which will help with off road manners. I'm excited to see one, not sure if I'll buy but like to see new things. I put 30,000 miles on a Gen 1 before I had to sell to move half way across the country and now have the Gen 2. Everything always brings me back to the KLR! It's my two wheeled Jeep.
02-13-2016 02:52 PM
Fox Fader That Africa Twin has generated a lot of positive buzz in this segment. Heck, it's one of the reasons I went ahead and picked up this KLR. The critics like the DCT on it as well as the handling and power. Not a big market for ADV bike in these parts, but I hope we get one at our dealership.
11-23-2015 11:22 AM
DPelletier There are already a bunch of twin cylinder, high horsepower, 500+ lb bikes on the market. I don't see what the Africa Twin offers over a KTM 950/990/1190 other than price.

For those that want that kind of bike and are on a budget, it may be the best thing since sliced bread; it looks more "dirt worthy" than a Tiger XC or BMW F800GS.

I don't get the comparison to a KLR which is one less cylinder an around 100 lbs lighter and half the price. ...compared to my KLR's the weight difference is 140 - 150lbs...

I don't consider the Versys to have any real off pavement capability (I did do some mild offroad on mine but it sucked) so I don't think the Africa Twin and a Versys are direct competitors either.


2 cents,

Dave
11-23-2015 12:36 AM
CheapBassTurd Acidman, they can call me "Cheap" too. LOL

Nice scooter but to small of a niche market for the price.
Even tho it's good me sees a sales-flop on the horizon.......
10-20-2015 04:17 PM
DPelletier Can't say without riding one, but I'd echo the comments that it is a competitor for the KTM 1190, Tiger 800XC, F800GS and the other twin cylinder adventure bikes rather than the dual purpose KLR. Nice bike? probably. Better than a KTM 1190? probably not. Cheaper than a KTM/BMW/Triumph? I'd guess it will be. Direct competition to the KLR? No.


Dave
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