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11-10-2009 05:05 PM
BIGIRON In Texas, a person who can legally own a firearm can keep it in their automobile, RV, etc. Legislature before last passed that to clear up the "traveling" issue. They can't carry it around without a CHL unless going to/from home, place of work, gunsmith, range, hunting, etc....

We had a couple of good laws die before getting voted on (sure to pass) this year because of political games the politicians were playing with a non-related issue.

www.tsra.com will have links
11-10-2009 04:26 PM
hornetguy I am very aware of the "rules" of the safe operation of firearms. I would imagine that in a life and death situation, some of those rules might have to be bent slightly, in order to survive.
I believe the "castle doctrine" applies to your vehicle in Texas. As far as I know, it has always been legal to carry a firearm with you when traveling. I'm about 99% sure you can carry any kind of long-arm in the car with you.. (you've seen the gun-racks). I know there are many "urban legend" kind of caveats.. "you have to cross more than one county line"... "you can't have it in the front seat with you".. etc... As near as I can tell, if you are traveling, your car is your "castle" and you are allowed to be armed for protection. Much is left up to the discretion of the officer that stops you, however.
Perhaps someone knows the true legalities of it in Texas, I have never fully researched it, and it seems to change occasionally.
11-10-2009 02:45 PM
Dwell My gun is like my Mastercard. I never leave home without it. Having said that, I am proficient with it and would never consider shooting from a moving motorcycle. Even if your justified to save your life, there is too much danger of collateral damage. You have to account for every round. "Be sure of your target and what is beyond it". I feel pretty confident I could get off my bike pretty quickly if I need to and fire from a firmer footing; preferably from behind a tree, building or etc.

In Missouri ANYONE who is over 18 can travel with a concealed weapon on his/her vehicle.
11-07-2009 02:15 PM
BIGIRON I'm glad to see that everyone is seriously talking about the "last resort".

I carry a 3AT in left front pants pocket, which is a difficult draw from a sitting/riding position. BDU type pants are best because of the leg pockets.

I have a holstered fanny pak that has a rip-open zipper. I'll carry a compact 9 or 40 in that. It's easy to setup for left or right draw. They're fairly common and not too expensive if you shop around.

Just practice with your left (or weak side) until you're comfortable with it. At real combat distances (nose to nose) you'll rarely aim, just point. If you're 15 yards away, you probably have other options.

You don't need the clutch to shift so left handed firing is not out of the question. I've not tried it, but next visit to sister's ranch, I might set up a course. We might have invented a new sport here.......

Keep our Ft Hood brothers and sisters in your prayers.
11-07-2009 10:45 AM
hornetguy
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Originally Posted by SLO-KLR View Post
I can guarantee you if poopoo hits the fan while ridng your scooter your hands will be very busy controlling the bike. I had one instance where some moron litterally tried to run me over then pursued me for better than a mile. I was looking for any means of escape first and looking for any place I could go that the SUV behind me could not. I was also considering how I would dismount and get my gun drawn as quickly as possible. I was facing the possibility of purposely lowsiding the bike at the last moment and risking roadrash to gain quick access to my gun to defend myself. Thankfully Mr. Moron decided he didn't like the continual shower of rocks landing on his precious SUV and backed off his persuit. We were doing 75mph on a gravel road at the time. I never once gave any consideration to drawing while riding because I was in full haul ass mode and was busy controlling the machine as I fishtailed around a couple of turns.
I agree with paper that if you are going to carry, it needs to be on your body in a location that is reasonably accessable to your strong hand. You need to give some consideration to a quick dismount then drawing your weapon.
Yes... this is the type of scenario I was thinking about (among others)... the random fool that is bent on running you off the road, or playing "road games" kind of stuff. This is why I was asking... I imagine like you said, controlling the bike is the #1 issue at hand, followed closely by "how do I safely get away from this fool", followed by "ok, lethal force is my only option"....
I think that safely, quickly stopping the bike, then setting up for defensive action is probably the best route... but... we don't always get to choose the best route.

I really LIKE the minigun idea...
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11-07-2009 12:14 AM
Tom Schmitz
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Yes, but you could get a permit, by law, in California.. ..
By law, yes, but in practice, no. At least not for the average Joe. If you're in a job that requires you to carry cash down dark alleys, or if you're a politician who opposes the second amendment, or if you area buddy of a rural sheriff, maybe. But a law abiding, middle-aged office worker in suburban LA? Nuh-uh.

It is a lot easier in rural areas, of course. Even in the PRC.

Tom
11-06-2009 11:10 PM
SLO-KLR I can guarantee you if poopoo hits the fan while ridng your scooter your hands will be very busy controlling the bike. I had one instance where some moron litterally tried to run me over then pursued me for better than a mile. I was looking for any means of escape first and looking for any place I could go that the SUV behind me could not. I was also considering how I would dismount and get my gun drawn as quickly as possible. I was facing the possibility of purposely lowsiding the bike at the last moment and risking roadrash to gain quick access to my gun to defend myself. Thankfully Mr. Moron decided he didn't like the continual shower of rocks landing on his precious SUV and backed off his persuit. We were doing 75mph on a gravel road at the time. I never once gave any consideration to drawing while riding because I was in full haul ass mode and was busy controlling the machine as I fishtailed around a couple of turns.
I agree with paper that if you are going to carry, it needs to be on your body in a location that is reasonably accessable to your strong hand. You need to give some consideration to a quick dismount then drawing your weapon.
11-06-2009 10:52 PM
flash I do not carry on my person, but when traveling I always have my 9 close by. To hell with all the state and local laws. I WILL be able to protect myself, others, and my property.

Now as to riding AND shooting, never thought about that. Seems the southpaws would have a distinct advantage......I guess you have to do what you need to do in the event of a Zombie outbreak :-D
11-06-2009 09:07 PM
Paper Yes, but you could get a permit, by law, in California..
Here, in IL, if I were to concealed carry, I'd be commiting a felony and giving up my right to own firearms (and a lot of other things)..

Because I have a Utah permit, and a FFL-03, I follow all rules to the letter.. I can't risk loosing my FFL, as collecting firearms and riding motorcycles are my two pastimes.. (Ok, also shooting competitively, and fishing, and bacon, but you get the point)..

Because I travel for work almost weekly (by plane, mostly) I talk to folks who have been concealed carrying for years. It's very educational, and sometimes a bit scary..
11-06-2009 08:44 PM
Tom Schmitz
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.... I'd kicked around keeping it in the tankbag, but if I were run off the road or had to make a quick stop and leave the bike, I'd also be leaving my weapon.. Left pocket on my jacket allows strong hand quick unzip and access...
Paper -

Excellent point.

Here in the People's Republic of California we don't have much practical experience in such matters...

Tom
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