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11-17-2016 10:25 AM
pdwestman Thanks Jeff and Tom. (Oops, and Dave.)
I tried to do it nice, clean and properly gentle with heat. Don't know Why I didn't even Think to give the LH bearing another tap after the second attempt to install. The third time, I just used a hammer handle to wedge things open a 'smidgeon' and finished the project. Caulking it up to probably POS "made in china" bearings. (Dave must have 'influenced' me. )

At the 1st attempt I had a fat 'o'-ring between the sprocket coupling and the LH wheel bearing boss, being that I would not need to have a glob of grease between the two exposed OEM bearings. (Why couldn't/ didn't I try an 'o'-ring there at mile 4500 when I changed 1st rear tire? huuumm?)
I took the fat 'o'-ring out for the second attempt and still had issues. That's when I decided that DaveP was correct. POS, made in china.

I did use the fat 'o'-ring yesterday between the sprocket coupling and the wheel. And I should say that the ALL BALLS rear wheel bearing set apparently works fine, when properly installed.

Do you suppose I can get 78,000 miles out of them??

ps, I noticed yesterday that editing a post will cancel a 'like'.
11-16-2016 08:26 PM
justjeff Glad you found it and it turned out to be minor Paul!
JJ
11-16-2016 08:07 PM
pdwestman
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Originally Posted by GoMotor View Post
Just to clear my mind, are you saying that before installing the axle there was negative clearance requiring spreading and after snugging the axle nut and then removing the axle there was "a little clearance" as in snugging the axle nut pressed the bearing in giving a little clearance?
Paul S.,
Apparently that is correct. Caused by my flipping the wheel over, dropping the steel center spacer over the axle, down into the 'hot' wheel hub, which apparently un-seated the LH bearing .010-.020 inches. Then heating the RH side, installing the RH bearing and circlip and not noticing that the center spacer was not held tight!

Looking back at my work, if one was to insert the steel spacer into the RH side 1st, allowing it to drop mostly thru the LH hole. Then heating the RH side and installing the RH bearing and circlip, as the factory probably does. Then flip the wheel, inserting the axle Up thru the RH bearing to center the spacer, heat the LH side and install its bearing, my frustration could have been avoided!
11-16-2016 05:59 PM
GoMotor
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Well, I pulled the axle this morning. There is currently a little clearance.
So as Jeff suggested, it must have been an Un-seated bearing, which would of had to been the LH wheel bearing. As the other two are captured by circlips..................................!
Just to clear my mind, are you saying that before installing the axle there was negative clearance requiring spreading and after snugging the axle nut and then removing the axle there was "a little clearance" as in snugging the axle nut pressed the bearing in giving a little clearance?
11-16-2016 12:14 PM
pdwestman Well, I pulled the axle this morning. There is currently a little clearance.
So as Jeff suggested, it must have been an Un-seated bearing, which would of had to been the LH wheel bearing. As the other two are captured by circlips.

Only explanation I have for That, would be dropping the steel spacer into the RH side of the hub Before the LH side had cooled down enough!

For those which haven't changed the rear wheel bearings, the LH side should be installed First. Because the flange on the center spacer will not pass thru the small hole on the left.

Anyways, I used the socket on the outer race of the LH wheel bearing again and put it back together. ( I Shoulda' done THAT Sunday evening! Nuts!)

Thanks for the assistance and encouraging words. Even we older/more experienced mechanics occasionally have snafu's!

ps, Its usually the simplest sh*t that we fail to have a second look at!
11-16-2016 09:54 AM
pdwestman Not a problem Dave. Thanks for the effort.

I'll probably remove the two LH bearings to measure and have a look. With heat they don't drive too hard.
11-15-2016 07:31 PM
DPelletier My apologies, I was confused: the set I still have and that are from "Pivot Works" are the ones with made in China stamped on the seals. The All Balls set I had must have been the swingarm and suspension bearings.... which I used. All I have now are the Pivot Works rear wheel bearings and a set of SKF fronts. :-(

FWIW (not much help, I know) the Pivot works bearings measured .393, .471 and .550" wide respectively.

Sorry Paul


Dave
11-15-2016 03:22 PM
Tom Schmitz My All Balls are marked 'KML', so they are sourcing from a Hong Kong company that manufactures in China. There's no 'Made in China' marking on them or the box.

I swear I had a full set around here but can only find half the set. They came in a box of KLR junque that I inherited and got set aside, some obviously more than others.

I have two sets of SKF in the drawer that I will install someday...

Tom
11-15-2016 03:13 PM
DPelletier
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That would be much appreciated, Dave. Thank you in advance.

I remembered your posting or thread on the "made in china" All Balls bearings. I had even brought up their website back then, was it KLM or KML Bearings? Can't remember and I looked at the markings Sunday!

The WPS packaging #22-51056 has nothing about country of origin and neither did the seals on the bearings. I have had this set in my possession since Before your comments were posted. Part of the reason that I hadn't yet installed them.

Normk was almost appalled that I hadn't yet changed them, and that was about a 1,000 miles ago, (I was hoping for an even 80,000mi)! I had only re-lubed the exposed LH bearings a couple of times, never the RH.
OK, I'll dig them out and let you know what I find. They are at home so I should be able to find them tonight. It's possible that All Balls sources (or sourced) their bearings from different suppliers, but I distinctly remember large "made in china" lettering right on them. On an aside, I think bearings last a much longer time than many of us give them credit for.....as long as they are good quality and don't get contaminated with water or dirt.

Cheers,
Dave
11-15-2016 01:29 PM
pdwestman
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Originally Posted by DPelletier View Post
Paul,

Let me know if you want me to measure the All Balls set I have (once I saw the big "made in china" stamped on them, I tossed them into my spare parts box and bought a decent set from the local autoparts store instead)

Cheers,
Dave
That would be much appreciated, Dave. Thank you in advance.

I remembered your posting or thread on the "made in china" All Balls bearings. I had even brought up their website back then, was it KLM or KML Bearings? Can't remember and I looked at the markings Sunday!

The WPS packaging #22-51056 has nothing about country of origin and neither did the seals on the bearings. I have had this set in my possession since Before your comments were posted. Part of the reason that I hadn't yet installed them.

Normk was almost appalled that I hadn't yet changed them, and that was about a 1,000 miles ago, (I was hoping for an even 80,000mi)! I had only re-lubed the exposed LH bearings a couple of times, never the RH.
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