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01-10-2020 10:14 AM
DirtyDanTX
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Originally Posted by JTCrow View Post
The raising links make the ass end seem higher due to it taking more weight to compress the spring, definitely noticeable. If you are considering a spring sprung for your weight I would get that first and then see where you are. If you are a big guy and carry a lot of gear and have no intention of getting a better shock or more dialed in spring, the raising links work well.
I was thinking of going with the top gun spring for the rear, and possibly adding the links as well. That may be overkill, but I figure I'll be adjusting the suspension for additional weight before I leave to do any loaded down trips anyways. That majority of my riding is just me and a tail bag.
01-09-2020 05:01 PM
JTCrow
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Originally Posted by DirtyDanTX View Post
Is the rise from the RL1 very noticeable? I was thinking about buying them for my bike, but wasn't sure about RL1 or RL2. I'm a big guy, so even without gear I sag the bike but I'm planning to do a top gun spring or something on the rear as well to help get that stuff dialed in. All that being said, with the OEM suspension and configuration I haven't had any issues off road or on the road. I just have a feeling it could be a lot better if I dialed it in a little more.
The raising links make the ass end seem higher due to it taking more weight to compress the spring, definitely noticeable. If you are considering a spring sprung for your weight I would get that first and then see where you are. If you are a big guy and carry a lot of gear and have no intention of getting a better shock or more dialed in spring, the raising links work well.
01-09-2020 01:52 PM
DirtyDanTX
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This is a good thread and I'm doing my best to try to understand it. I'm going to adjust my sag in the rear of my gen 1 with a cogent moab. I understand the gen 1 rear travel is 9.1 inches and I want almost exactly 3 inches of sag. However, my bike has eagle mike raising links (the RL1). Does this have any effect on the numbers I need to calculate to get the ideal sag?
Is the rise from the RL1 very noticeable? I was thinking about buying them for my bike, but wasn't sure about RL1 or RL2. I'm a big guy, so even without gear I sag the bike but I'm planning to do a top gun spring or something on the rear as well to help get that stuff dialed in. All that being said, with the OEM suspension and configuration I haven't had any issues off road or on the road. I just have a feeling it could be a lot better if I dialed it in a little more.
01-07-2020 02:15 PM
DPelletier
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Originally Posted by JTCrow View Post
Thanks again fro your insight and help, Mr. Westman! I have a couple more questions. If you or anyone knows I'd appreciate the help!

When adjusting the cogent shock preload collar, should the rear wheel be off the ground? I adjusted it a little last summer and the stiction I encountered when the wheel was on the ground was a little worrying, I wasn't sure if I was harming the threads by doing it that way.

Also, I use the raising links because I use the KLR as a camping platform and usually carry quite a bit of gear. Plus, I'm 220 lbs. I have the cogent moab adventure shock which means it doesn't have adjustabe damping. Last year I was tearing up a steep hill with washboard gravel and the rear tire wasn't hooking up as well as I'd like. Granted, I didn't have my sag set perfectly, just by feel. Which I'm going to remedy now with adjusting the sag to spec.

My question is, would the raising links have a detrimental effect on rebound damping or the bikes ability to stay planted on terrain like that? If I understand correctly, the raising links REDUCE the amount of rear travel, correct? This year I have gone with a much lighter luggage system (dropped about 25 lbs from my loaded weight) and I'm thinking before I set the sag, maybe I should put on the stock links. The cogent shock does have the heavy duty spring. Any thoughts on doing that?
The shorter raising links decrease leverage on the shock, effectively increasing
both springrate and damping. The links move the suspension arc but have a negligeable effect on total suspension travel.

As far as the other questions; if it was me I'd probably use the raising links when fully loaded and the stock links when travelling light.....either that or get the adjustable Moab (and yes, raise the bike off the ground to make preload adjustments easier.....Cogent also has a needle bearing preload collar that helps)

...in any case, set your sag up for the load

Cheers,
Dave
01-06-2020 09:33 PM
pdwestman Good questions that I don't really have definitive answers to!

I think lowering links consume available shock absorber travel Quicker, so Rising Links may Increase total rear axle travel, marginally.

I'll suggest that one should clean & dry shock threads and then lube with WD-40 or the like. And elevate the rear wheel when attempting to re-adjust pre-load.

In the grand scheme of things, it is what ever feels good to your butt and handlebars, not the measured inches of sag.
01-06-2020 09:12 PM
JTCrow
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Originally Posted by pdwestman View Post
IMO, No. You still want about 30% sag.
Thanks again fro your insight and help, Mr. Westman! I have a couple more questions. If you or anyone knows I'd appreciate the help!

When adjusting the cogent shock preload collar, should the rear wheel be off the ground? I adjusted it a little last summer and the stiction I encountered when the wheel was on the ground was a little worrying, I wasn't sure if I was harming the threads by doing it that way.

Also, I use the raising links because I use the KLR as a camping platform and usually carry quite a bit of gear. Plus, I'm 220 lbs. I have the cogent moab adventure shock which means it doesn't have adjustabe damping. Last year I was tearing up a steep hill with washboard gravel and the rear tire wasn't hooking up as well as I'd like. Granted, I didn't have my sag set perfectly, just by feel. Which I'm going to remedy now with adjusting the sag to spec.

My question is, would the raising links have a detrimental effect on rebound damping or the bikes ability to stay planted on terrain like that? If I understand correctly, the raising links REDUCE the amount of rear travel, correct? This year I have gone with a much lighter luggage system (dropped about 25 lbs from my loaded weight) and I'm thinking before I set the sag, maybe I should put on the stock links. The cogent shock does have the heavy duty spring. Any thoughts on doing that?
01-06-2020 08:45 PM
pdwestman IMO, No. You still want about 30% sag.
01-06-2020 07:27 PM
JTCrow This is a good thread and I'm doing my best to try to understand it. I'm going to adjust my sag in the rear of my gen 1 with a cogent moab. I understand the gen 1 rear travel is 9.1 inches and I want almost exactly 3 inches of sag. However, my bike has eagle mike raising links (the RL1). Does this have any effect on the numbers I need to calculate to get the ideal sag?
07-28-2010 01:54 AM
CheapBassTurd Over the years, I have put the stock shock on it's tightest settings and just left it like that for it's entire service life. (both preload and damping)


Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaap
07-28-2010 01:13 AM
Red Burrito Coolio thank you Tom! I tend to over think things and if I am not looking at it in action I will end up confusing myself. I will for sure give this a try since I will be doing everything else to it this weekend.
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