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02-19-2019 03:19 PM
DPelletier
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Originally Posted by Tom Schmitz View Post
Prior to converting over to the use of WD-40 I had a chain oiler on the bike. The continual flow of oil kept the chain clean because the oil would pick up the dirt and then it would all be flung all over the rear wheel, the swing arm, the engine cases, my left leg, the windshield of every car following me, most of the roads in California, and roadside animals and small children.

The chain and sprockets lasted almost forever, though. There was that.
LOL; well said!


I will never argue that an O-ring chain won't last longer with the application of an external lube (in addition to cleaning and maintenance), it's just that the extra life isn't worth the hassle and mess for me......I'll be happy with even half Bill's 34,000 miles as long as I don't have to deal with the gigantic mess that lube makes. My Scott Oiler permanently resides in my "spare parts bin".

Wear is dependent on many things; maintenance, conditions, climate, usage, riding style, etc. etc. ......my WAG is that adding lube to my chains maintenance routine may add 10 - 20% to the lifespan which just isn't worth it to me.


2 cents,
Dave
02-19-2019 02:28 PM
Tom Schmitz Prior to converting over to the use of WD-40 I had a chain oiler on the bike. The continual flow of oil kept the chain clean because the oil would pick up the dirt and then it would all be flung all over the rear wheel, the swing arm, the engine cases, my left leg, the windshield of every car following me, most of the roads in California, and roadside animals and small children.

The chain and sprockets lasted almost forever, though. There was that.
02-19-2019 11:41 AM
PaddyD I will say that lubing, combined with continual cleaning is better than cleaning only when it comes to chain life. My 74 CB750 has an oiler built into the countershaft that depending on how far out you have the setscrew in the end, bleeds engine oil out onto the drive sprocket and chain. This keeps the chain extremely clean and WELL lubed. The drawback is the left side of the wheel also is well lubed and a real pain in the ass to keep looking good. You also need to park it over a drip pan or you'll get oil spots on your nice new concrete floor. I will add that this bike still has the original sprockets and is currently only on it's second chain during it's 45 year life. Sprockets have almost zero visible wear on them too.
02-19-2019 11:29 AM
dan filipi
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Originally Posted by PaddyD View Post
While chain lubrication is indeed beneficial, when it comes to motorcycle chains and dirt roads not so much. The key if riding in dirt is keeping it clean not oiled up. The oil in the dirt is only beneficial for about a mile or two before the chain gets coated with grit and starts the erosion process. If going on a long hwy ride then I might be using chain lube, but never if going in any trails or on gravel roads.
That makes total sense. An external lube will actually attract dirt to the chain. If it is only cleaned well, the chain “should” be less likely to get dirt between the plates.....that is to say, when riding mostly or all dirt. The same should apply to the sprockets.
02-19-2019 10:25 AM
PaddyD
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Originally Posted by timberfoot View Post
That is very interesting! I am surprised to learn that you guys clean your chains, but do not lube them. I would have thought that the chain would not last long like that.

I must admit that my own experience with my old chain (The one I recently replaced) supports your stance on chain maintenance. You may recall that I suggested my lax attitude towards chain lubrication was the cause of its short life. I lubricated that chain fairly regularly, though, not as often as the owner's manual suggests.
However, I am embarrassed to admit that I only cleaned it once in about 14600ish miles. The day I cleaned it was the day I realized it was in bad condition. My experience supports the opinion that cleaning is more important to these chains than is lubricating!

Thanks again guys

Matthew
While chain lubrication is indeed beneficial, when it comes to motorcycle chains and dirt roads not so much. The key if riding in dirt is keeping it clean not oiled up. The oil in the dirt is only beneficial for about a mile or two before the chain gets coated with grit and starts the erosion process. If going on a long hwy ride then I might be using chain lube, but never if going in any trails or on gravel roads.
02-19-2019 10:22 AM
Tom Schmitz Mostly wet and cold. The bike has been taken apart and put back together several times while it pours.
02-19-2019 08:09 AM
beamwalker thanks Tom, how are you brother?
02-19-2019 04:24 AM
timberfoot That is very interesting! I am surprised to learn that you guys clean your chains, but do not lube them. I would have thought that the chain would not last long like that.

I must admit that my own experience with my old chain (The one I recently replaced) supports your stance on chain maintenance. You may recall that I suggested my lax attitude towards chain lubrication was the cause of its short life. I lubricated that chain fairly regularly, though, not as often as the owner's manual suggests.
However, I am embarrassed to admit that I only cleaned it once in about 14600ish miles. The day I cleaned it was the day I realized it was in bad condition. My experience supports the opinion that cleaning is more important to these chains than is lubricating!

Thanks again guys

Matthew
02-17-2019 01:08 PM
DPelletier Yes, I only use WD-40 as O ring (or X ring) chains are permanently lubed and the lube is protected by the o-rings. As per the link I posted, WD-40 doesn't degrade the o rings. .....WD isn't a lube, it's a cleaner but you don't NEED lube on a sealed chain......as proven by Bill (Watt-man). My riding time is split between bikes and I don't ride as much as I like so I don't have anything like Bill's 34,000 miles to point to. Luckily he posted his comprehensive results and that's proof enough for me.

Dave
02-17-2019 03:35 AM
Tom Schmitz
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Originally Posted by timberfoot View Post
...WD-40 and other such spray lubricants will dissolve the lube off your chain. These products are ok for lubricating door hinges, but not for motorcycle chains...
You're right, it is not a lube, but it does clean the chain and keep it clean.

I'm at 12K miles on my chain using only WD-40 and I haven't needed to adjust it. It is a little looser than when I installed it but only a wee bit. wattman seems to have gotten 34K miles on an OEM chain. I don't know how many more chains and what mileage he has gone on WD-40. I don't know what @DPelletier's numbers are, but I believe he is successful using only WD-40.

It's bumblebee type shit, but the bottom line is that it works with an o-ring chain.

@beamwalker, if the links are a bit stiff but you can move them with your fingers I don't think I'd worry. If they are too stiff to work with your fingers it may indicate that the o-rings have failed and water has gotten in, the lube out, or both and there is a bit of corrosion in the link. At 12K miles it would be a bit of an early failure, but not terribly so.
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