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post #1 of 112 Old 09-28-2012, 10:10 AM Thread Starter
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The US Election

So I'll likely open up a can of worms here. Maybe I should check the forum rules and see if politics is a No, No topic.

Being here in Canada I watch the election activity in the USA with popcorn in hand. I don't think I'll ever figure out how it works. Seems like the campaigning starts all over again a month after an election is final.

Anyway my curiosity is in who is going to be the next President. Seems like Obama may be on his way out, yet 4 - 6 years ago the frenzy around the guy was almost scary. I had him pegged as the anti-Christ.

So who's good for America?? Which way are you voting?

Remember to keep it cordial. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. No way I want to start a forum war. If it goes that way I'll delete the thread. I have the power.


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post #2 of 112 Old 09-28-2012, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by klr4evr View Post
No way I want to start a forum war. If it goes that way I'll delete the thread. I have the power.

You're a brave man.. I'm too chicken to start a topic like this.. Seriously.

My response to this question is as follows..

The quote was, "When is Barack Hussein Obama going to tell the middle east to stop clinging to their guns and religion?"

For those who don't recall, that's what he accused republicans of in PA,
back in 2008.
Not that I like Romney, but I don't like the Anti-Christ.. Didn't like him when he was my state senator, my federal senator, and I don't like him now..

On the other hand, if he wins the election he can finally quit campaigning, since that's all he's done since his first attempt at office..

When I didn't like him years ago, it was because I was being "Racist".. Now that even the black voters don't like him, what's my new title??

And yes, I am being as nice as I can be..

On the other hand Paul Ryan is from Janesville, WI (8 miles from where I'm sitting at work, right now) and I'd carry him on my back to Washington, if asked..
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by Rev. Austin Miles

CHARLOTTE, North Carolina (9/11/12) When the DNC came to Charlotte, area churches, 100 of them, offered hospitality, not knowing how much the Dems hate God and would actually boo God at the convention. They had no idea how that hatred would be directed at them and their churches.

The Sunday before the DNC, over 9000 people had come together to pray for the convention. Then, wanting to extend hospitality to the visitors to their city, 56 of the churches set out to Adopt-a-Delegation. They put together gift baskets featuring Carolina Pralines and a letter welcoming them to the city and offering assistance in transportation, childcare or spiritual matters.
According to writer, Todd Starnes, The DNC banned the churches from distributing the gift baskets to delegates because, DNC said, the congregations hold values that are contrary to the party platform. Read that carefully.
David Benham, one of the organizers of the outreach said, We were just trying to display Southern hospitality. DNC officials, however, conveyed to city leaders that the Christians would not be allowed to present their gift baskets.
Even the Charlotte Mayors office jumped in to tell the churches not to participate, saying that their views on womens rights are contrary to the platform. Thats right….the same platform that booed God later.

Benham then asked if they could send welcome letters to the delegates. Again, the DNC refused, because, they said, The churches hold pro-life values. The baskets did not contain a single political or pro-life message. They just wanted to give them regional candles and a welcome letter. The DNC refused to return numerous phone calls seeking comment.

But it gets worse. When a gathering of 200 Muslims showed up to pray for the convention, the Dems welcomed them with open arms and the liberal media gave extensive national coverage.
It is ironic that this day, in the shadow of that Islamic prayer event, we commemorate the greatest tragedy in American History, when Muslims attacked America on September 11, 2001, brutally killing thousands.of innocent people.

Muslims who publicly state their hatred of our country with fierce determination to kill us all and put America under Sharia Law, are welcomed by the Democratic Party while Christians are pushed out of sight like criminals because they respect life and hold family values.

These are the same democrats who want you to vote them into office to direct the United States of America and every life from beginning to end. It is obvious that we must not let this happen.
Our thanks to Rev. Ed Berkey (retired) who alerted us to this story.
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I think the US has some pretty serious issues in Government, and that those issues are the result of over 100 years of Democratic and Republican party platforms. Both platforms have evolved tremendously over the course of history.

Essentially, we've had a toggling of Democrat/Republican government that pretty well follows term limits - four years of Democrat, four years of Republican, save for the FDR and the Reagan periods.

I often wonder if John Kennedy would recognize today's political parties, or if he'd be confused.

I'm not a big Romney fan and rather wish that Ryan were the presidential candidate and Romney the VP.

As to Obama, I won't say anything at all, especially something controversial like "he's a foreign born Communist".

If you are concerned for the next four years and wish for a return to a more conservative government and hope to perhaps stem the tide of Socialism , then you need to vote Republican.

My wish is to undo some of the political evolution that has occurred in the past 100 years and my concern is not for the next four years, but for the next 100 years.

For that reason, I'm a Libertarian. A pretty liberal-to-middling Libertarian, but a Libertarian none the less.

I know very well that the Libertarian party hasn't much of a chance to put a man in the Presidency in the near future, but I don't believe that voting for Gary Johnson is throwing my vote away. Rather, I believe that it is part of the political evolution that needs to occur in the next 100 years.

If we stay the course with the current two parties, it's my opinion that in 100 years America will become a Socialist country and devolve into a large third world state.

As to the Republican party (obviously, I'm a former Republican) I believe that on January 1st of 2013 the party needs to get itself organized and start looking for their next candidate. One who can be groomed to represent the party platform, one who has an unassailable history, one who can speak well in public and be counted on (with help) not to put his foot in his mouth, and one who can run a clean campaign. The GOP needs to get behind that candidate and support him over the next four years as "our man". Had they done that, we might have seen them pick a guy like Ryan.

That's not to say that we can't have an open Republican campaign for the presidency in 2016. The Newts and the Herbs and the Sarahs and the halts and the lames can, if they have the money, mount their own bids and the Democrats can have their fun outing their pasts and capitalizing on their gaffs. If the Republicans are to have a chance against the siren's song Socialism, though, they have to have "their guy from the git-go".


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You may believe that a third party vote does not throw your vote away but it is one less vote against obama. Ride safe. Rebar James
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This is my last post in this topic..
I lied.. It's a Presidential thing to do..

What burns me is this.. I've been voting since able, in 1983, and I'm SO TIRED of voting for the lesser of two evils..

November of 2012 we're making a choice between these two clowns due to a two party system (for the most part).. Seriously.. is this the best United States can come up with??

I fear that anyone with the real intelligence to run this country like it should is smart enough to not want the job, so instead we're stuck with the power hungry egomaniacs that only know how to do one thing.. Campaign..

Obama is a darned good speaker, as long as he's got a teleprompter in front of him to tell him what to say.. Romney... He's not even interesting enough to want to listen to, so I wait for the speech to be done so I can read it..

But are either of these two the quality the country is in need of to have as our Leader? Not even close..

The Republican party (and the Democratic party) will need to quit relying on the Flash-in-the-Pan representatives as leaders, and actually take a step back and bring in actual leaders.. This year's republican candidate is nothing more than the least hated of the bunch.. What a joke..

When I bought my home 13 years ago, I jokingly said I was going to secede from the nation and declare my 100'x100' lot the Land of Fred, ruled by my cat Annie... It's less of a joke every year.. Unfortunately the ruler of Fred is getting old and I doubt if she'll be around come spring.. She's never lied to me, she lets me know when something's going down she doesn't like, and when I pay taxes (aka-soft cat food pouches) she lets me know she approves.. In return, she curls up next to me at night and gives me comfort..

Could she be a better ruler?? Sure.. I could do without the occasional puke, and if she could clean her own litter box it wouldn't break my heart..

But at least I know exactly what to expect from her.. I wish a Presidential candidate could be so trustworthy... (and that's from any party)

Speaking of party, what the heck am I doing discussing politics? I already know how I'm voting, and for most of us, no pissing contest is going to change our minds.. Democrat or Republican (it really is a two party race) we're not going to change our minds.. We hate the other side (hate's a strong, but truthful word) and our minds are closed because of our lifestyles, beliefs, and life experiences..

I was informed that a friend's niece married a guy last year, they adopted 3 kids and both were working, and paying taxes (like I do).. They then adopted 2 more kids, moved to Texas, and are now doing NOTHING, and making more money than ever through welfare and other entitlement programs.. They have no problem posting photos of vacations to Disneyland, Jamaica, Alaska, on Facebook, all of which is being paid by me, a working tax payer..

I'm tired of supporting those who are capable but refuse to work and be productive, and instead live off of my tax dollars..

I think it's time for me to jump on my Triumph for the weekend..

For those who don't agree with my political beliefs, that's your choice.. I'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine.. Argue my points all you wish because I don't care.. I wish I could vote today so all this election's crap would be over with..

Pismo, I've voted for Ron.. I'd do it again, but only given the chance that it would do good in defeating the African Muslim.. (actually, I don't have a problem with Africans or Muslims, as long as they don't lie to me, telling me they're not either of them)
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You may believe that a third party vote does not throw your vote away but it is one less vote against obama. Ride safe. Rebar James
Or, if you're a Romney hater, it's one less vote against him..

I'd love to see a 3-4 party election, but that's if there's 3-4 folks that actually deserve to have the job. When it's lesser of two evils, one evil must be voted against..

Just like Rebar, I'm not voting for Romney.. I'm voting against Obama. I've been doing it since he came to office in IL and ran for US Senator.. I'll quit voting against him when he quits trying to take an office..
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No matter what your flavor of candidate is the problem with America is not simply a reboot of Democratic nor Republican leadership with leadership being the optimal word!

It's entrenched dependence on government hand outs coupled with pandering of politicians to special interests and coruption along with greed. Is this a new phenomena to our system? I think not! Going back to George Washington administration the infighting was prevalent then as now. Perhaps not on the same lever but none the less it was present!

Why do the same individuals continue to get elected? Most people think the other guy is corrupt but their guy is doing a good job. Term limits for the President but not congress is ludicrous. Entrenchment leads to no accountability.

There are a myriad of other issues that could be discussed to better this country however I will reframe from going there

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Well now that we have solved that problem can we get back to important stuff--- like the wonders of the magical KLR 650 ---rebar james
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