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post #1 of 11 Old 06-20-2014, 07:54 PM Thread Starter
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Curious to hear what any U.S. residents happen to think about the Census Bureau's "American Community Survey."

Me? I don't like their heavy-handed tactics and threats of fines to try to get people to complete this extensive and intrusive survey. Plus, I think it's pretty much true that unless a survey is completed voluntarily, it's pretty much worthless as a lot of people who are coerced into doing one will probably just lie a lot. I know I would, anyway.

Has anybody else been contacted and harassed by these Gestapo agents? I was told by some "field office" today (after ignoring their first dozen calls and messages about my "Case Number" I finally got curious and called) that the survey was "mandatory." When I asked, "Mandated by who?" he said "Congress."

The survey is nothing new: it's been around for a long time.

For the record, nobody has been fined for non-compliance since 1970 and you can't be "fined" unless you're first prosecuted.

You can find the survey online if you want to take a look at the questions.

Really? You need to know what time I leave for work in the morning?

I understand that the survey may play a role in government funding and appropriations, infrastructure planning, etc. but don't make me out like I'm some kind of criminal if I choose not to participate.

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I've never been contacted to complete this particular survey, but I'm with you - if they want to try to force me to do something like that, I'll answer with nothing but lies.

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I've never been contacted about this either. But nothing the Government pulls at this point surprises me. I'm disgusted with the Administration we have now and I'll leave it at that before I go off on a tirade.
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We have an arm of Government here called Statistics Canada which does surveys and stuff like that. We were contacted and foolishly agreed to participate because we were told it was mandatory. It started off slow and then they started calling 3-4 times a week at all hours of the day. The last straw was when they wanted to ask our kids questions. We told them to quit calling but they refused. We had to get our Member of Parliament involved to have them stop and then they did so reluctantly. Now if I see StatsCan on my phone we don't pick up and when they come to the door we tell them to get off the property.

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I will play the devils advocate on this one (even though one way or the other doesn't matter to me). Just say government infrastructure funding for each area is dependent on population in that area, and the census information becomes voluntary. Now take two similar towns but there is only 10 percent of the residents in Area A complete the information and 50% in Area B complete it. Now the infrastructure funding is rolled out for the new roads based on government records of the population and now a higher percentage is given to Area B, do Area A residents have a right to complain? If only more filled out that form, would they have gotten more infrastructure funding in Area A?

I know here in Canada the health care dollars are given out in such a manner, so making it voluntary would have an effect on the level of our medical care.

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I will play the devils advocate on this one (even though one way or the other doesn't matter to me). Just say government infrastructure funding for each area is dependent on population in that area, and the census information becomes voluntary. Now take two similar towns but there is only 10 percent of the residents in Area A complete the information and 50% in Area B complete it. Now the infrastructure funding is rolled out for the new roads based on government records of the population and now a higher percentage is given to Area B, do Area A residents have a right to complain? If only more filled out that form, would they have gotten more infrastructure funding in Area A?

I know here in Canada the health care dollars are given out in such a manner, so making it voluntary would have an effect on the level of our medical care.
I actually agree with this and the survey probably does serve some purpose.

It's more their tactics to try to get people to do it that irks me than the survey itself. I'm sure the NSA has already harvested all that information about me anyway, so why don't they just get it from them unless they're trying to re-create Edward Snowden's laptop.

I always try to remember that this country is based on resistance to authority in the first place.



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I don't trust our federal government with a lot of information nowadays. I would prefer the federal government to be much smaller doing only what it is empowered to do in the Constitution. Most things should be handled at the state and local level.
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I don't trust our federal government with a lot of information nowadays. I would prefer the federal government to be much smaller doing only what it is empowered to do in the Constitution. Most things should be handled at the state and local level.
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[RANT]A recent wrinkle in centralized federal control is . . . "Common Core."

Masked as a "private, charitable" initiative by Bill Gates, world's richest human, the current federal administration granted something like $ 630 million to states to implement (national "learning standards" for public schools). A tool for propagandizing and brain-washing? You think?

Gates spread his money around teachers' unions, etc., bribing them and corruptible departments of education to drink this Kool-Aid.

Courageously, Bobby Jindal, Governor of Louisiana, flung them back their gold, decreeing his state would determine education standards for its own children; not swallow what Gates and the feds cooked up.

Yet, money talks. Grants from Gates/Microsoft; allegedly "free" federal funds; hard for many to turn down. Regardless, the worm has a hook in it: Federal thought and mind control, through the guise of 'helping' educate our young. Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Fidel Castro, and Chairman Mao played the same game.

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Interesting points, Damocles. I believe money applies in the same way to the ACS. Even if everybody answered it truthfully and the information was kept secure, it would just be spun and manipulated to serve the needs of the politicians and lawmakers and that's all about where the money flows and ends up. It's nothing new under the Sun: that's the way it's always worked and it's not going to change.

The area with the highest infrastructure funding is going to be the area where the representative receives large infusions of money from the wealthy and thriving contractors who do all the work in that area.

Can you imagine the uproar had the Common Core "grants" came from, say, leaders of McDonnell-Douglas or Honeywell?

It seems like more and more states are starting to realize Common Core isn't for them. I hope this trend continues.

I'm still a believer that the vast majority of US citizens still possess enough common sense to not be drawn into the net. I hope I'm right about that.

We're seeing how the "every kids needs to go to college" thing is working out: over a trillion dollars in student loan debt and graduates who can't find jobs to pay them back. The college graduates are now taking the jobs of the less-educated people who rely on them to live.

What to do, though? There are only so many openings for skilled tradesmen and even though robotics are starting to replace the workforce, you only need so many people to design, build, program and maintain them.

Perhaps the government will use this opportunity to use Common Core and MAP testing to determine and mandate what profession individual children should and will pursue. I think some other countries already do that, so it must be a good idea......

I really see this coming. Mostly due to technology, the old days of a self-regulated work force that was more adaptable to individuals of varying degrees of learning and skills is rapidly fading away. The country can only support so many engineers, IT people, software engineers and lawyers. Well, I guess there will always be a demand for lawyers......



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