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post #81 of 96 Old 03-31-2019, 11:38 AM
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Last night I watched Hud. Definitely one I'm likely to circle back to…


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post #82 of 96 Old 04-16-2019, 11:17 AM
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"Scirroco," Humphery Bogart, Marta Toren, Lee J. Cobb.

Here's Marta; died at age 31; cerebral hemorage. Pity!



The movie, Scirroco, shot in black-and-white, is an epitome, noir film. This color "glamour" studio picture does NOT do her justice at all.

Hey, you gotta watch the flick to understand!

“You better put down that gun. You got two ways to go, put it down or use it. Even if you tie me, you’re gonna be dead.” "John Russell" (Paul Newman), Hombre

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Well, must say I've never seen Hud or Scirocco. Now on my list to check out.
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post #84 of 96 Old 04-16-2019, 08:31 PM
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"Hud" remains a really great movie; Newman nominated for an academy award (SHOULD have won!). Patricia Neal DID win an Oscar for best actress; highly deserved.

"Scirroco?" Mostly trench coats, dark alleyways (even, catacomb hideouts); sinister and dangerous characters; . . . hey, it's film noire! What should one EXPECT? The setting is SYRIA, about 1925 . . . no better then or now, or so it seems.

“You better put down that gun. You got two ways to go, put it down or use it. Even if you tie me, you’re gonna be dead.” "John Russell" (Paul Newman), Hombre

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On, "Movies" today: "His Kind Of Woman."

Robert Mitchum, Jane Russel, Vincent Price . . . whole host of actors, including Tim Holt (who made, "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre" a few years earlier); look closely and you'll see Raymond Burr, Jim Backus, and . . . I think Mamie Van Doren had an uncredited role.

Noir? I guess, but . . . more mood and lighting effort than plot, characterization, and motivation, seemed to me.

Now, totally superfluous/unnecessary, an image of Ms. Russel:

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Noticed last night that Electra Glide In Blue is available on AP so watched it. I forgot Elisha Cook was in it and he's great at being crazed. Post-viewing research also reveals that the soundtrack for the movie (came out in '73) was done by the band Chicago and some of the band members have bit acting parts. I would guess they were some of the "hippies."
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Besides, "Wilmer," in "The Maltese Falcon," Wikipedia acknowledges Elisha Coor, Jr. as, " . . . the pugnacious ex-Confederate soldier 'Stonewall' Torrey who is gunned down by Jack Palance in "Shane" (1953), . . .." Palance recalled his role as, "Wilson," in "Shane," as his favorite, early in his career (article in, The Saturday Evening Post). Palance considered the portrayal a minor one, but . . . one he played to its hilt. EVERY detail, every movement, every expression convincingly expressed the character of a ruthless gunman. [O.K., EXAMPLES! "Wilson" raises the water dipper to his lips when he first meets, "Shane," with his LEFT hand, peering over the edge of the dipper as he drinks . . . keeping his RIGHT (gun) hand free at all times . . . upon leaving the scene astride his horse, "Wilson" BACKS his mount out of the homestead gate, keeping his potential adversaries in view every second . . .

Don't get around movie theaters much, any more . . . no particular taste for car-crash, cartoon ("animated"), and vampire sci-fi flicks on today's play list!

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Don't get around movie theaters much, any more . . . no particular taste for car-crash, cartoon ("animated"), and vampire sci-fi flicks on today's play list!
There are still some good ones, but if you're limited to what comes through national chain theaters, really good movies are rare. Also, weighing the archive of the entire 20th century against whatever comes out in a given year (or the last 20, let's say, depending on your perception of "now"), the former is bound to come out on top, if for no other reason than simply the sheer volume of (great) work.

But it's also true, they just don't make them like they used to. Even when we're telling the same "types" of stories, we're telling them differently. Today's "noir" isn't motivated by the same impulse as it was in the 30s, 40s and 50s because it can't be. Today's craftspeople and audience bring with them a vastly different set of ideas. To give just one example, take the level of commitment to the antagonist. Films are a lot more indulgent/sympathetic with the bad guy — or the good guy's bad side — than they once were. Noir back in the day seemed to offer "dark encounters" with the aim of imparting a message genuinely at adds with, and (gasp!) judgemental of, villains… or perhaps the "everyman's" regrettable actions. Showing the dirt was restrained and counterbalanced, and worked as an excuse to make a "wholesome" point. And the resolutions were cathartic. This has been turned upside-down now, where the resolution (often still a triumph of good, albeit with consistently deeper ambiguity) seems more like an excuse to indulge in dark pathos leading up to it. And while the physical reactions that today's movies inspire in their audience are orders of magnitude beyond what they used to be (i.e, John Wick), they also tend more toward stoking appetites than satisfying them, which makes sense given that the industry is deeper into the process of understanding how to generate commerce.

On the other hand, the argument can be made that what we're seeing now is more "real" and that this reality stems from increased freedom, production codes having relaxed and resources for filmmaking dispersed. From a functional point of view, though, I'm not so sure it's an improvement. Is our current response to violence/psychopathy/alienation better than our previous one? Does it serve us better? Are the movies themselves better now than they were before? Some say yes, others no. I think it depends on what you watch and who you talk to.
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I haven't been in a movie theater in about 9 years.......... Folks over on stromtrooper were lamenting the fact that you now have to sit through 20 minutes of advertising before the feature even starts (or show up a little late to avoid them and hope you don't miss the beginning).
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post #90 of 96 Old 05-16-2019, 06:29 PM
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Honestly I haven't been to a theater in a while myself With the many streaming options and my proximity to the last DVD store in LA, give me a digital projector at home and there's really no need to do the theater thing. Hell you can even buy movie theater popcorn butter in the grocery now…

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