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post #1 of 15 Old 11-06-2009, 04:17 PM Thread Starter
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I've wondered about this a few times... I always, ALWAYS carry some type of firearm with me in the car when I travel. It's just good sense. "rather have it and not need it.... yada yada.." No apologies to any bunny people, it's just what I do.
I was thinking that if and when I start taking longer road trips on the KLR, that I need to take one with me then, as well. This brings up several questions.
Holster carry would be good, if wearing a jacket (always, except on the hottest north Texas summer days)... Now... how to go about shooting off a bike, if the balloon goes up. Right hand has to stay on the throttle, otherwise rapid slowdown.. so, practice weak hand shooting and get a left-hand crossdraw holster? or just plan for the rapid slowdown and use the righthand as usual? If not using a holster, perhaps make a slide in type of holster for the tank bag?
I assume that most will understand that these questions are for a last-ditch, can't avoid using lethal force, NO other options kind of things. I know that slowing down, turning off the highway, finding a state trooper conveniently cruising downh the road... ALL the options should be tried first.
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post #2 of 15 Old 11-06-2009, 04:21 PM
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I don't carry a gun, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE ****ING BUNNY PEOPLE!!! Hmmm...better go gun shoppin...




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To set the tone, I understand where you're coming from and all. So, if I say this wrong, don't take it wrong. (I learned that from a Texan - you can say anything after that comment...)

There are some things that you just can't practically do.

Weak hand shooting seems like a poor answer. A throttle lock might help so that you could shoot right handed.

The thing is, though, what are you going to do with your weapon if you have to use your gun hand to control the bike? There's the rub and why I wonder if it can be done practically.

Now, a short-barrelled minigun mounted under the fairing, with the switch on the handlebar...

I should think that the plan should be to get the bike stopped and have your defensive weapon readily available from the tank bag.

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OK, just cause I like posting after Tom. I'm assuming you have a carry permit? Here are a few Q's that come to mind. I'm not a gun guy, but they can hopefully answer these Q's too:

1) Even in a worst case scenario, how accurate can shooting from a MC be? I'd be afraid I'd crash. So, I agree, dismounting would probably be the first step as Tom said. Ok, that wasn't a question.

2) Is it legal to carry a handgun across state lines?

3) Is it legal to mount a handgun to a vehicle?

I've actually learned a lot about gun regulations on here, so I'm curious. But mainly, I agree with Tom on point number one. I've read a lot of Louis L'Amour and I think real cowboys swing off their horse and get behind them before they start firing.




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I went postal today!! And there were some gun catalogs in my P.O. Box!!

First of all, count your blessings that you live in a state that feels you're responsible enough to defend yourself agains those who wish to cause you harm.. I live and work in the only two states left that don't allow that option.

I do have a Utah permit, which allows me to carry in over half the states, so when I'm travelling on bike or motorcycle (out of IL and WI) I can legally protect myself.. I keep a Ruger LCP in my left front pocket of my Aerostich. I'd kicked around keeping it in the tankbag, but if I were run off the road or had to make a quick stop and leave the bike, I'd also be leaving my weapon.. Left pocket on my jacket allows strong hand quick unzip and access..

I hope and pray that none of us ever have a reason to even think about using a weapon to defend ourselves.
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.... I'd kicked around keeping it in the tankbag, but if I were run off the road or had to make a quick stop and leave the bike, I'd also be leaving my weapon.. Left pocket on my jacket allows strong hand quick unzip and access...
Paper -

Excellent point.

Here in the People's Republic of California we don't have much practical experience in such matters...

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Yes, but you could get a permit, by law, in California..
Here, in IL, if I were to concealed carry, I'd be commiting a felony and giving up my right to own firearms (and a lot of other things)..

Because I have a Utah permit, and a FFL-03, I follow all rules to the letter.. I can't risk loosing my FFL, as collecting firearms and riding motorcycles are my two pastimes.. (Ok, also shooting competitively, and fishing, and bacon, but you get the point)..

Because I travel for work almost weekly (by plane, mostly) I talk to folks who have been concealed carrying for years. It's very educational, and sometimes a bit scary..
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I do not carry on my person, but when traveling I always have my 9 close by. To hell with all the state and local laws. I WILL be able to protect myself, others, and my property.

Now as to riding AND shooting, never thought about that. Seems the southpaws would have a distinct advantage......I guess you have to do what you need to do in the event of a Zombie outbreak :-D

Gray-haired riders donít get that way from pure luck.

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I can guarantee you if poopoo hits the fan while ridng your scooter your hands will be very busy controlling the bike. I had one instance where some moron litterally tried to run me over then pursued me for better than a mile. I was looking for any means of escape first and looking for any place I could go that the SUV behind me could not. I was also considering how I would dismount and get my gun drawn as quickly as possible. I was facing the possibility of purposely lowsiding the bike at the last moment and risking roadrash to gain quick access to my gun to defend myself. Thankfully Mr. Moron decided he didn't like the continual shower of rocks landing on his precious SUV and backed off his persuit. We were doing 75mph on a gravel road at the time. I never once gave any consideration to drawing while riding because I was in full haul ass mode and was busy controlling the machine as I fishtailed around a couple of turns.
I agree with paper that if you are going to carry, it needs to be on your body in a location that is reasonably accessable to your strong hand. You need to give some consideration to a quick dismount then drawing your weapon.

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Yes, but you could get a permit, by law, in California.. ..
By law, yes, but in practice, no. At least not for the average Joe. If you're in a job that requires you to carry cash down dark alleys, or if you're a politician who opposes the second amendment, or if you area buddy of a rural sheriff, maybe. But a law abiding, middle-aged office worker in suburban LA? Nuh-uh.

It is a lot easier in rural areas, of course. Even in the PRC.

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