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post #1 of 10 Old 10-13-2016, 06:54 PM Thread Starter
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africa twin thread 2.0

thought id post up about a recent ride with and on a DCT africa twin. sorry to start another thread on this bike but seems like the last one degenerated into less than usefulness...

first of all the DCT: i decided from the first i heard about it that i would hate it: after all ive been shifting bikes all by myself without help for nearly 40 years. so you can imagine how it hurts me to say the DCT is pretty awesome! firm, quick, and positive shifts, and seems to always know the best gear for itself--didnt seem at all like a car's automatic. i can see how you could quickly forget about clutches, unless you have faulty dna and are inclined to be suspicious and distrustful of modern technology. i have faulty dna.

so, riding the bike: we were in sand, mud, water, and occasional gravel. its owner didnt corner as well as i could on the klr, but he still has stock tires and im running tkc's which may be part of the reason. i usually went slower than the klr wanted to go, but i couldnt help noticing how much more i was bouncing around than the honda. i refused to ride it on trails (no crash bars or anything on it yet) but i did jump on it for a while once we got back to the road. WOW! the ride quality is noticeably different from my bike, only way i can describe it is that its both plusher and more controlled. the seating position is more cramped and the "seat" cant compare to the one on my (2015) klr. but overall its a good riding position for actual offroad use. its about 120ish pounds heavier than my bike (ive taken some things off the klr) but it feels like a lower cg than mine, and in fact really seems to lighten up once moving. the brakes are fantastic, but the engine is even better. its just ALWAYS in its powerband, but the DCT might be part of the reason why. i ran it up to a high and unmentionable speed and it was stable as can be, no twitchiness or jumpiness like my bike when its going fast in gusty weather. the wind protection is good, but also sucks heat from the radiator up at you. overall? its really a do anything/go anywhere bike, much like my own, but vastly better at high speeds on the road. on the other hand, its not as fast as mine offroad, at least on its stock tires. i would guess that out of all the bigger "adventure" bikes, this is the one id peg as being the real deal, and the one id buy if i was in the market.

but i wouldnt trade my bike for it...
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bah! tried to add a pic but failed
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I've been in that mode.............looking............. comparing what's out there on the used market (can't buy new, long story) and drooling over the AT when I read all the good stuff. But then I have found some awesome deals on the Super Tenere' complete with all the goodies I'm looking for, i.e., Panniers, skid plates, wind screen, and crash bars.
I've been stopping by the local Honda dealer frequently and waiting for the next AT to be sitting on the floor so I could at least sit on it and see if I would really be comfortable on it.
I saw two used ones pop up on CraigsList right after the release here in California with 1,000 miles on them.
Did they not measure up?
Did they just buy them to be the first?
But I haven't seen any used ones since, but I also know that riders are telling their friends that own them "If you ever want to sell that..."

Then I tell myself, the KLR has been good to me, it's simple and I can fix anything on it, and it's all outfitted the way I want it.

Confidence is the feeling you have before you fully understand the situation."

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I'd agree with most of your comments, though I'd probably look at a KTM1090 over the AT for the better suspension.....but both are too big and too heavy for where I like to ride. Now if someone made a 750-800 cc ADV bike that weighed less than 400 lbs I'd be interested.

Is the suspension on your 2015 stock?

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I'd agree with most of your comments, though I'd probably look at a KTM1090 over the AT for the better suspension.....but both are too big and too heavy for where I like to ride. Now if someone made a 750-800 cc ADV bike that weighed less than 400 lbs I'd be interested.

Is the suspension on your 2015 stock?

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Not a real KTM fan, I wouldn't like having to carry a spare fuel pump & water pump with me on long trips. But they do ride nice!

I've got a 2008 GenII with Progressive front springs (huge difference) and the Progressive 465 w/ RAP in the rear.

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Not a real KTM fan, I wouldn't like having to carry a spare fuel pump & water pump with me on long trips. But they do ride nice!

I've got a 2008 GenII with Progressive front springs (huge difference) and the Progressive 465 w/ RAP in the rear.
I'm not sure that either the 1090R or the AT has been out long enough to determine long term reliabity but I'm aware of the earlier KTM fuel pump issues. I've owned 3 KTM's and they were all flawless but they were offroad bikes. My preference for the KTM would be due to my local dealer and my past experience with KTM as well as a couple tests espousing the superiority of the 1090R over the AT offroad - particularly the suspension. Of course either are light years better than stock KLR suspension.

On the suspension issue, sorry my comment was directed at the OP in response to the comment: "WOW! the ride quality is noticeably different from my bike, only way i can describe it is that its both plusher and more controlled" ....I was wondering what the benchmark is.

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------------ My preference for the KTM would be due to my local dealer and my past experience with KTM as well as a couple tests espousing the superiority of the 1090R over the AT offroad - particularly the suspension.---------------

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Now there is a wise man.
Go with what you know, and where you are comfortable.
So many people a get turned off with a shop or dealer experience that went south from the start.
And sshbsn, please keep that in mind when looking around too. If the local (or not too far away of a ride) Honda dealer impressed you with knowledge and value, then look no further. Same with any brand, if they are working to keep your business, it always makes it better.

But the internet seems to be the best place to bash away at Dealer ABC, or "Bike-O-Rama ripped me off $657 for that valve adjustment!"
And yet, they keep going back to the same old place and keep getting "ripped off".

Sorry for the detour, let's get back to the riding?

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Yeah, I'm really lucky to have a great Kawi/Suzuki/KTM dealership that I've been dealing with for many, many years.

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I've decided I'm selling all my bikes and I'm going to buy an AT Adventure Sports. I've been oogling over them for a while and after the Adv Sport came out....I just can't get that tune outta my head. There will always be KLRs to fall back on in the future.

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Not a real KTM fan, I wouldn't like having to carry a spare fuel pump & water pump with me on long trips.
YEAH!

And the oil change interval is ONLY 9,000 miles! (KTM 1290 Super Adventure)

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