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post #1 of 38 Old 12-03-2018, 05:08 PM Thread Starter
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Another in the stable, but that?.....

I just couldn't pass it up.
2005 R1200GS with 83,000 on it, but it won't move. Owner says it needs a clutch.
I hope that's all. It's going to be the winter project, and it came as a package deal with spare parts, tools, manuals, bags, liners, boots, wheel balancer, Harbor Freight lift, and an old upright tire machine .
An acquaintance I see all the time has reached the end of his riding days. He told me "I just need it gone, out of my life."

$1100 and I hauled it away for him.

I sort of feel bad. But not really.
We'll have to see how much I'm going to put into it.

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Don't feel bad. Some disassembly is required.

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Didn't the early 1200's have issues with the final drive gears? Partly because BMW did not fit an oil drain plug to allow oil changes?

But I recon that it does roll, so that might not be part of the current issue.

How many miles was on your bike at that time, Tom?

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That's not my bike, it's a picture I found illustrating where the clutch is. My RT has about 40K miles on it now.

My bike had but a few thousand miles on it when the final drive went south. It ate a bearing.

BMW did have a final drive with no way to drain the lubricant for a couple of years. They said it was "lifetime lubed", but there wasn't anything different about the rear end when they did that.

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When I rolled it into my trailer, I put it in first and heard a clicking/ticking noise equal to the revolutions.
I hope it's not the splines. That input shaft doesn't look like fun.

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I have the Haynes repair manual and it is pretty good. Official manuals are in short supply and BMW seems to prefer electronic manuals that are hard to come by and expensive.

The Haynes is about $35 and is generally up to their level of quality.

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Oh boy did I luck out in that department. He gave me the Haynes manual, the BMW DVD manual, two other DVD "help manuals", and my buddy loaned me his factory DVD manual for his 2007 RT. I think I'm set there.

I started going thru stuff last night and found a GS-911 scan tool, a Harmonizer balance sync tool that looks like it's never been used, and a MarcParnes.com portable balancer. But I've also spotted two missing parts of the crash bars. I'l just keep looking, it's supposed to start raining later so I can spend the day in that garage.

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The GS911 is a great tool. It will allow you to read codes off of all the boxes, exercise servos, synch throttle bodies, yadda yadda. You need to download the software every time, IIRC (I'm due for that soon), as that ensures you have their latest software. I can't remember if a password is required; I think it is tied to the tool, though.

The MarcParnes stuff is beauty. He makes good stuff.

The clutch job is onerous, but not too difficult so long as you have the equipment to support the bike.

The non-wasser-boxer BMW boxer is really a great motor and easy to work on. Basically, it's not much more than half a VW engine. Hell, some folks have tried to adapt a VW clutch to the thing and I think they made it work. I find it really easy to work on. Mine is a '12 and the valves are the easiest thing to set on any motor I've worked on. Not sure if the '05 is the same.

There is some brilliant engineering on the BMW motorcycles and then there is some absolutely stupid shit. In some cases, it's like they went to the Kluge Kinder Kindergärten and got them to do the engineering. For example, I can't put air in my rear tire at any gas station in the US without a special tool. Had they moved the valve stem a half inch it would be possible. I could rant, but won't. It's a Love/Hate relationship with the bike/dealer/BMWNA.

The final drive, shaft, and swing arm have gone through some permutations in the past 15 years that I can't really relay accurately. You'd think they'd have it down pat but they kept fooling with it, then went from the right side to the left side when they introduced the wasser-boxer.

If the final drive is kaput it is repairable but finicky. It's like any automotive differential where shimming is required to get perfect gear lash. There are guys that do it (one is in New England if memory serves me) if you don't want to tackle it. The input splines can suffer if they have lacked lubrication.

BMW Sport Touring and BMW Luxury Touring are both good forums. Both have GS forums and both have snooty BMW folk. BMWLT is owned by the parent company of this forum so you will feel right at home as far as look and feel.

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Motorräder. Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. I'd make a joke about Germans, but there is nothing funny about we Germans. If you think otherwise we have a form for you to fill out and line for you to stand in to register your opinion...---------
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Der Geburtsname meiner Großmutter war Schurtz. Ich weiß alles über den deutschen Humor. Sie hat es immer und immer wieder in mich eingeschlagen.

I love jabbing at the Koolaid drinkers out on the road. I always ask them if they know what the "GS" stands for since they ride one.
Gelände/Straße usually confuses them.

Not really worried about having to lift the bike for the repair, since it came with a Harbor Freight lift. That might wind up to be the best part of the deal. I have a Craftsman center lift that works for the KLR, but I've never really needed to split that bike in two pieces either.

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Meine Familie kam um die Jahrhundertwende aus Utscheid und assimilierte sich sehr schnell. Sie waren Bierbrauer. Nach 1945 hat niemand in der Familie viel Deutsch gesprochen. Wir haben weder Rouladen noch Sauerkraut gegessen. Wir haben jedoch Mayday gefeiert. Und ich bin stur und launisch.

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