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Grant440

Discussion Starter · Apr 13, 2022

Finally pulled the trigger and placed my order for a new rear shock. Their customer service is exceptional.
Looking forward to getting this installed.

Thanks for all input

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RagTag559

· #2 · Apr 13, 2022

Did you already install their DDC kit? I believe that was another member that recently did it.

As always, I'm looking forward to hearing what you think about the difference w/ new suspension. One youtube guy's words were "It finally performs like it looks" lol

Grant440

Discussion Starter · #3 · Apr 13, 2022

RagTag559 said:
Did you already install their DDC kit? I believe that was another member that recently did it.

As always, I'm looking forward to hearing what you think about the difference w/ new suspension. One youtube guy's words were "It finally performs like it looks" lol

I have not, I really wanted to, but the budget didn't allow

I can't wait!

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RagTag559

· #4 · Apr 13, 2022

Grant440 said:
I have not, I really wanted to, but the budget didn't allow
I can't wait!

I get that. I make a few hundred in "side money" a month, half of it goes to savings and half of it goes to my unnecessary expenses.
I got a long ways to go for Cogent

It'll be worth the wait however I'm sure. My next purchases are a 16T sprocket, JNS drop pegs/IMS pegs, then DDC/fork brace then the rear spring. I'm looking at 6 months minimum lol.

Grant440

Discussion Starter · #5 · Apr 13, 2022

RagTag559 said:
I get that. I make a few hundred in "side money" a month, half of it goes to savings and half of it goes to my unnecessary expenses.
I got a long ways to go for Cogent

It'll be worth the wait however I'm sure. My next purchases are a 16T sprocket, JNS drop pegs/IMS pegs, then DDC/fork brace then the rear spring. I'm looking at 6 months minimum lol.

Smart man, I have the JNS drop pegs and the IMS pegs and LOVE THEM. So much stiffer!!

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PeteK

· #6 · Apr 13, 2022 (Edited)

Question for Dave P:

Cogent offers and “adventure” shock setup and the next step up is the Moab. The Moab provides adjustability, whereas the Adventure does not. I ordered a Moab for my 2005, but I got to thinking, since I typically set up my shocks and then leave them alone. Is it worth the extra $200 for the Moab, when I don’t play with the adjustments, if Cogent sets up the Adventure per my specs, and I can’t adjust it?

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ymracing

· #7 · Apr 13, 2022

PeteK said:
Question for Dave P:

Cogent offers and “adventure” shock setup and the next step up is the Moab. I ordered a Moab for my 2005, but I got to thinking, since I typically set up my shocks and then leave them alone. The Moab provides adjustability, whereas the Adventure does not. Is it worth the extra $200 for the Moab, when I don’t play with the adjustments, if Cogent sets up the Adventure per my specs, and I can’t adjust it?

I have the "Moab" on my KLR and one on the TransAlp. While I don't do a lot of fiddling with the adjustments, it's nice to have the ability.

Grant440

Discussion Starter · #8 · Apr 13, 2022

PeteK said:
Question for Dave P:

Cogent offers and “adventure” shock setup and the next step up is the Moab. The Moab provides adjustability, whereas the Adventure does not. I ordered a Moab for my 2005, but I got to thinking, since I typically set up my shocks and then leave them alone. Is it worth the extra $200 for the Moab, when I don’t play with the adjustments, if Cogent sets up the Adventure per my specs, and I can’t adjust it?

I was told by Todd at cogent the only option is the Moab and that you need to install the remote adjuster.

DPelletier

· #9 · Apr 13, 2022

PeteK said:
Question for Dave P:

Cogent offers and “adventure” shock setup and the next step up is the Moab. The Moab provides adjustability, whereas the Adventure does not. I ordered a Moab for my 2005, but I got to thinking, since I typically set up my shocks and then leave them alone. Is it worth the extra $200 for the Moab, when I don’t play with the adjustments, if Cogent sets up the Adventure per my specs, and I can’t adjust it?

I've had all three of their shocks (currently running a Moab on my 2001 and a Pro-Series on my 2000) and I had a semi-unique opportunity to swap back and forth between two almost identically equipped KLR's with an Adventure on the 2000 and the Moab on the 2001. My son and I swapped back and forth at our local ORV park and did some fairly aggressive trail riding (for a KLR anyhow). We are both ex-racers with lots off offroad experience; he is 170lbs and I'm 195 lbs. We didn't bother playing with preload for the 25lb difference. What we found is that we were unable to tell the difference......sure the adjustability of the Moab is nice, but once set up, we tend to leave them alone and I suppose it's a testament to how well Rick sets the Adventure up in the first place and perhaps it worked well for us because our sizes/weights fit well with the Adventure's off the shelf set up. This all makes sense, as the Adventure is the same high quality shock as the Moab just without the damping adjuster. To be clear; Cogent does not offer custom set-up with the Adventure, though I believe they have a "regular" and "extra weight" set up available. On the flip side, the Moab is set up individually, has more options and a better warranty, etc.......you really cannot go wrong either way but you can save some $$'s and still have stellar results using the less expensive Adventure as long as your size/usage is also fairly "normal".

Now about that Pro-Series....

Dave

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DPelletier

· #10 · Apr 13, 2022

Grant440 said:
I was told by Todd at cogent the only option is the Moab and that you need to install the remote adjuster.

Yes, my understanding is that the 2022's have "stuff" in the way of performing a preload adjustment without the RAP......unfortunately that means going with the Moab as the Adventure isn't offered with the RAP. While the RAP is nice, it's also a pricey option. I suppose someone could run an Adventure and simply remove it if/when you need to change preload - it's not that hard and if you have a fairly static load/weight, it shouldn't need to be done once sag was set initially...

Dave

pdwestman

· #11 · Apr 13, 2022

Moab Adventure & Moab are both Threaded spring preload adjustable and apparently can be fitted with the RAP.
The Moab Pro Series Ultimate has RAP as standard.

Look at the bottom LH of this page, Home 1 - Cogent Dynamics

Reveille

· #12 · Apr 13, 2022

It's pretty snug up top on the shock mount or better stated, where the preload locking ring lives. I'm not saying it couldn't be done but it would be challenging.
Does the moab have compression and rebound adjustment? Cogents description is vague.

KLR-Mule

· #13 · Apr 14, 2022

RagTag559 said:
My next purchases are a 16T sprocket

PM sent.

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stolo

· #14 · Apr 14, 2022

Waiting on my DDC's and Moab! Ordered about 3 weeks ago. I think he said the preload adjuster could be fitted to the adventure if you wanted... But you'd have to send it in and have them do it in the shop.

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DPelletier

· #15 · Apr 14, 2022

pdwestman said:
Moab Adventure & Moab are both Threaded spring preload adjustable and apparently can be fitted with the RAP.
The Moab Pro Series Ultimate has RAP as standard.

Look at the bottom LH of this page, Home 1 - Cogent Dynamics

They don't offer the Adventure with the optional RAP though, as you say, it's the same shock body so maybe you could order it separately and install yourself. Yes, the Pro-series comes with it but at $1,500, it's getting out of most people's price range.

Dave

Reveille

· #16 · Apr 14, 2022

I spoke to Todd this morning. The remote preload adjuster can be added to any shock. It must be added by them. Best bet would be to have it added when the shock is due for a service.

The Adventure shock is the same shock internally as the moab but the Adventure has no rebound adjustment and the moab does. Neither has a compression adjustment, if you want that you'd need to go all in on the pro which has a remote bladder. A pro on a gen 3 will be a challenge due to a lack of available mounting space.
My 2 cents

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DPelletier

· #17 · Apr 14, 2022

Reveille said:
The Adventure shock is the same shock internally as the moab but the Adventure has no rebound adjustment and the moab does. Neither has a compression adjustment, if you want that you'd need to go all in on the pro which has a remote bladder. A pro on a gen 3 will be a challenge due to a lack of available mounting space.
My 2 cents

Though they call the Moab damper adjuster a "rebound damper" my understanding is that it actually affects both compression and rebound. "This adjustment knob controls an internal jet that allows “bleed” or a bypass of fluid within the damper piston. Turning this knob in the clockwise direction (looking at the knob from the shock’s end) will cause the shock to become firmer and cause the rebound to become slower."

The Pro Series has additional adjustment that allows independent compression damping " the Pro-series shock shares the same features as the standard Cogent mono-tube shocks; however, the user has an option of adjusting the compression of the shock independently of the main “rebound” adjuster at the bottom of the shock "

Full link; Motorcycle Rear Shock Adjustment | Cogent Dynamics | Motorcycle Suspension

Anyhow, perhaps a small point but one worth clarifying as you obviously know something about suspension.

Cheers,

Dave

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DPelletier

· #18 · Apr 14, 2022

Reveille said:
I spoke to Todd this morning. The remote preload adjuster can be added to any shock. It must be added by them. Best bet would be to have it added when the shock is due for a service.

This may be new; when I spoke with Todd late last year, they were unsure whether they would change their policy so you could get the RAP on the Adventure. The more I think about it, I'd just pull the shock to adjust as my bike load changes very little so once set, I'd likely leave it alone making the RAP not worth the extra cash.

Dave

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Reveille

· #19 · Apr 15, 2022

Dave, I'm with you. Once I set my preload and get the proper rider sag, I don't touch it. Living without rebound adjustment is another conversation. Moab seems like the sweet spot for my needs but I'm going to wait a bit and get some seat time before making a decision. I have the forks nicely sorted. I have 3 rallies in the next 4 weeks so it should be enough to get a baseline.

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pdwestman

· #20 · Apr 15, 2022

DPelletier said:
This may be new; when I spoke with Todd late last year, they were unsure whether they would change their policy so you could get the RAP on the Adventure.

I was gonna' ask if you had actually opened the link & read the lower LH caption.

But Why would one do THAT on the base-line shock? Well, I guess that Gen 3 KLR fitment just answered that question.

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