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strange cause I think designwise the DOHC and bucket shims are typical of a high revving but reality is slow af.
Yea it sounds like it could be high performance and maybe in 1982 it was. The 650 twin motor, that Kawasaki will put in anything but a decent adv bike, weighs less than a klr motor and makes close to twice as much power, and of course its ha EFI and 6 speeds and its only a 20 year old design.
 

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I had a 2006 Yamaha FZ6. It would spin up to like 14,000 RPM. Had it to an indicated 237KPH.
I find the KLR way more fun. Just twist the grip and get a big dose of torque. Waiting for a bike to spool up past 10,000 gets boring fast.
Plus you can beat the killer hard and not worry too much about speeding tickets.
Also leaving a crowded parking lot by going over the curb is always big fun.
Have you ridden a Honda CBR250rr? The MC22 fireblade. That gets up to 19,000rpm. Higher than a F1. for a learner bike that is insane.
Revs are nice, but need the engine power to match, no point twisting a throttle and not having the grunt to match. Or even worse, twisting it and waiting for the revs so you have power. That is why I love the single for, twist it and it is there.
 

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strange cause I think designwise the DOHC and bucket shims are typical of a high revving but reality is slow af.
The valve train could take a lot higher RPM, but the bottom end can't. The piston bore and stroke are about the same as in an American V8 (typical red line in the 6500-7000 range), and doesn't have the balancing advantage of a common crankpin with another piston, or additional pistons to balance the loads on the crank.
 

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The valve train could take a lot higher RPM, but the bottom end can't. The piston bore and stroke are about the same as in an American V8 (typical red line in the 6500-7000 range), and doesn't have the balancing advantage of a common crankpin with another piston, or additional pistons to balance the loads on the crank.
That's why it's strange, I still don't get why Kwak engineers use that overkill top end design. Honda does away with SOHC and the rocker arm can accommodate extreme cam profile.
 

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95mph? Seriously? :unsure: that is 152kmh.
The analog speedometer has at least 5 mph error at 60ish, maybe even near 10 mph error at the 105 mph indicated that I have occasionally seen on its meter since year one, on flat ground, even when it was bone stock.

I played with the gearing quite a bit and ended up back at stock. I think its the cylinder head design just won't let it run any faster, mine feels like it will go faster but it never really does. I saw an indicted 105 in Death Valley on level ground and the same going down the longest hill Ive ever seen in Wyoming.
The fastest that I have ever seen on the meter of my Gen 1 is about 112mph indicated, down-hill with a tail-wind and a digital 7200+ RPM if I recall correctly. The analog oem tach was nearing 8000rpm, so they apparently lie also. (Also in WY, near my home.)

The only sprocket ratios I've ever run is the oem 15-43 counts. I live at 5300+ feet in the middle of WY, USA. And ride mostly UP from here. The Downs from here are pretty gradual.
 

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The valve train could take a lot higher RPM, but the bottom end can't. The piston bore and stroke are about the same as in an American V8 (typical red line in the 6500-7000 range), and doesn't have the balancing advantage of a common crankpin with another piston, or additional pistons to balance the loads on the crank.
The valve train and basic port angles, shapes & sizes were designed for the 2 valve head of the 4 cylinder 900cc Z-1 clear back before its introduction in 1973.
With stiffer valve springs the system was run to over 10,000 rpm in racing applications with .002-.004 inches of tappet clearances on the much Shorter Stroke 4 cylinder engines.

That's why it's strange, I still don't get why Kwak engineers use that overkill top end design. Honda does away with SOHC and the rocker arm can accommodate extreme cam profile.
You only have to ask yourself, "how often do those rocker-arm systems need to be re-adjusted on those applications & how much valve guide wear is on those systems, as compared the Z-1 / KZ / KLR DOHC shim & bucket system?"

There are the answers.
 

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I knew I wanted a Klr so I didn’t test ride it. Was that a huge mistake? So bought a new 2023 Klr650 ABS as a second bike for commuting and light off road fun. I took the back roads home so we’re talking 35mph roads for about 20 miles. It was snowing so I was taking it easy but I just never felt the torque I expected. I felt like I had to do a lot of downshifting to get a jump on traffic. I plan on breaking it in before I do any major mods like sprockets or exhaust. I hate not seeing a tachometer so that’s prolly the first think I will attempt to do. So internet is it me expecting too much or just riding it wrong?

Warm regards from frosty Michigan!
Back to square ONE.

I'll BET that your selling dealership Never properly loosened/adjusted your bikes drive chain! They all come out of the crates TOO TIGHT.
Does your bikes chain pull TIGHT when you simply set on it? The lower run of the chain Needs to be Loose Enough when leaning on the sidestand to be gently lifted with 1 finger to 'just touch' the rear tip of the swingarm rubber underslider. Otherwise it Consumes Power with your weight on the bike compressing the suspension.

Your selling dealership probably also didn't air up your tires to a more road-worthy psi of 32 psi Front & 30 psi Rear.
Which also Consumes Power.

Try these "Simple, Cheap & Easy" adjustments on your bike.
 

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I knew I wanted a Klr so I didn’t test ride it. Was that a huge mistake? So bought a new 2023 Klr650 ABS as a second bike for commuting and light off road fun. I took the back roads home so we’re talking 35mph roads for about 20 miles. It was snowing so I was taking it easy but I just never felt the torque I expected. I felt like I had to do a lot of downshifting to get a jump on traffic. I plan on breaking it in before I do any major mods like sprockets or exhaust. I hate not seeing a tachometer so that’s prolly the first think I will attempt to do. So internet is it me expecting too much or just riding it wrong?

Warm regards from frosty Michigan!
Believe it or not, these singles do prefer some revs (They really don't like to be lugged). The Gen3 has a pretty flat torque curve from just 2.5k RPM, but that doesn't mean they will pull hard when you're in a taller gear. For example, the motor will not like 2nd gear below 18-20 mph. It will pull it but will be lugging for a few moments. Now if you compare it to a 400 cc motor or smaller, it will feel stronger down low and in the midrange. If you've ever rolled the throttle on a small engine in a tall gear, nothing happens. The KLR will at least pull you forward! :ROFLMAO: Also, when you're getting started up a hill, or climbing a steep hill off road, in the right gear, you won't need to rev the motor. It will pull you up over those hills with authority, at low revs, as long as you're in the right gear.
 

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No issues passing here. Highways are 100kmh and Freeway is 110kmh. Cant really speed much on the freeway so maybe 115kmh overtaking. However on back highways and roads, can easily crack 135kmh to pass a car or truck quickly. The lighter rear end and bigger exhaust helps with that.
As a child in grade school we were told the Metric System was what out Country was going to and we MUST learn it! I'm pushing 60 now and we still use the good old Standard system of Measurement.

That being said, there is one very cool thing about the Metric System! Even SLOW speeds SOUND FAST in the Metric System! I was reading this and I'm like.... WOW, oh wait.... that's only 62mph to 83mph. Yup, normal KLR speeds. Sounded good though! I thought you had a Skunkworks Project going there! ;)

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I’ve check my Speedo against gps and it’s off 1 mph at 70. I’ve had it over 90 mph with the 16t front, and has a little more throttle/rpm left, but not much. I just don’t have the stones to push the “giant sail of a bike” much faster. I want to live to ride another day😉. Now on the Katanas and RT1150s I’ve ridden, I have clocked some higher numbers easily😎.
I had pushed my Street Glide into that 125-130mph.... area. It got a bit interesting.... not bad though. It's over 800lbs (H-D Bagger) and big as a Barn on 2 Wheels.

The KLR is NO Speed King for sure! It does VERY nice though from GO to about 75-80mph! I think it even handles good for a bike I Purchased NEW, for a little less than I had into my 1st upgrades on my 2011 Street Glide when I did my first crack at it with around 1500 miles on the clock.

One thing I've noted about EVERYTHING I've owned with a Parent Company from Japan, the Speedo IS ALWAYS off and will READ fast! From the ATV's to Motorcycle's to Cars & Trucks (Toyota), they are all off 1 to 5-6mph. I'm GUESSING it's a Liability/Safety thing.

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I had pushed my Street Glide into that 125-130mph.... area. It got a bit interesting.... not bad though. It's over 800lbs (H-D Bagger) and big as a Barn on 2 Wheels.

The KLR is NO Speed King for sure! It does VERY nice though from GO to about 75-80mph! I think it even handles good for a bike I Purchased NEW, for a little less than I had into my 1st upgrades on my 2011 Street Glide when I did my first crack at it with around 1500 miles on the clock.

One thing I've noted about EVERYTHING I've owned with a Parent Company from Japan, the Speedo IS ALWAYS off and will READ fast! From the ATV's to Motorcycle's to Cars & Trucks (Toyota), they are all off 1 to 5-6mph. I'm GUESSING it's a Liability/Safety thing.

Willie
Can I use this reason to beat the speeding ticket? "Ummm officer I was just compensating for my speedo error...."
 

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As a child in grade school we were told the Metric System was what out Country was going to and we MUST learn it! I'm pushing 60 now and we still use the good old Standard system of Measurement.

That being said, there is one very cool thing about the Metric System! Even SLOW speeds SOUND FAST in the Metric System! I was reading this and I'm like.... WOW, oh wait.... that's only 62mph to 83mph. Yup, normal KLR speeds. Sounded good though! I thought you had a Skunkworks Project going there! ;)

Willie
I tried to learn the imperial system when I was in America. It is just so different.
Now I do some imperial stuff on old British bikes which are very old bolts.
There is something satisfying about saying cracking 100, nice round number.
 

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I had pushed my Street Glide into that 125-130mph.... area. It got a bit interesting.... not bad though. It's over 800lbs (H-D Bagger) and big as a Barn on 2 Wheels.

The KLR is NO Speed King for sure! It does VERY nice though from GO to about 75-80mph! I think it even handles good for a bike I Purchased NEW, for a little less than I had into my 1st upgrades on my 2011 Street Glide when I did my first crack at it with around 1500 miles on the clock.

One thing I've noted about EVERYTHING I've owned with a Parent Company from Japan, the Speedo IS ALWAYS off and will READ fast! From the ATV's to Motorcycle's to Cars & Trucks (Toyota), they are all off 1 to 5-6mph. I'm GUESSING it's a Liability/Safety thing.

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When you said Street Glide and a buck and a quarter, I thought ya' sure! My friend Wes, a H-D engineer and mechanic on H-D Bagger road racers #10 and #33 said yup...but you gotta' remove that governor thingy...
 
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When you said Street Glide and a buck and a quarter, I thought ya' sure! My friend Wes, a H-D engineer and mechanic on H-D Bagger road racers #10 and #33 said yup...but you gotta' remove that governor thingy...
Think TTS Master Tune and $$$! ;) (y)

Ask Wes if he knows about TTS Master Tune & the H-D Screamin' Eagle Tuners.... OLD vs NEW style/type! ;)

I do LOVE ME SOME King of the Baggers! H-D just WON TOO!!! #43 & #79 were #1&2 in the Daytona 200!

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As a child in grade school we were told the Metric System was what out Country was going to and we MUST learn it! I'm pushing 60 now and we still use the good old Standard system of Measurement.

That being said, there is one very cool thing about the Metric System! Even SLOW speeds SOUND FAST in the Metric System! I was reading this and I'm like.... WOW, oh wait.... that's only 62mph to 83mph. Yup, normal KLR speeds. Sounded good though! I thought you had a Skunkworks Project going there! ;)

Willie
I remember that urgency to learn the metric system! Wasn't that about the same time as "the coming ice age" and "we will be out of oil by 1998" and the best one " the smog will be so bad we will all be living underground".
 

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I remember that urgency to learn the metric system! Wasn't that about the same time as "the coming ice age" and "we will be out of oil by 1998" and the best one " the smog will be so bad we will all be living underground".
AND.... we learned to tuck under our Desk when the Nuke Drops too! Ah..... my youth! :)

I'm guessing the Schools are rolling that back out right now?!?!?!? ;)

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Think TTS Master Tune and $$$! ;) (y)

Ask Wes if he knows about TTS Master Tune & the H-D Screamin' Eagle Tuners.... OLD vs NEW style/type! ;)

I do LOVE ME SOME King of the Baggers! H-D just WON TOO!!! #43 & #79 were #1&2 in the Daytona 200!

Willie
The Baggers are a support race for the Daytona 200. I suspect they would not last 200 miles in the premier race. Last support race that I personally was on track for the Daytona 200 was in 2009, running my '72 Honda CB 750/850 SOHC in AHRMA's Formula 750..But I digress. This years premier 200 race was "Herrin's victory on the Ducati Panigale V2 was the Italian marque's second win in the 200 with Jason DiSalvo winning on a Team Latus Ducati 848 EVO."

Oh, and I just asked Wes what he knows about TTS Master Tune & the H-D Screamin' Eagle Tuners.... OLD vs NEW style/type!
 
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