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Yesterday and today I had run in's with drivers who felt the urge to prevent me from passing them. I live in California and do centerlane but not irresponsibly or without need. Theres a time and a place. Having been a Motorcycle Courier for 6years in a past life I know when and where and the usual car follies are no skin off my back and I dont get upset when someone cuts me off, I just continue about my business.

Scenario 1- Newer Red Corvette, Male driver, solo.
Driver seems to be in a hurry and is weaving through traffic and making speed whenever he can, must have been up to 90-100mph for short burst when the traffic permitted.

So I'm just chillin in the left lane watching the show and he blows down the road. Eventually to my surprise I come upon him in the left lane doing about 60mph with no car in front of him, a wide open lane of no traffic.

I think "wow, that guys going slow, wasn't he in a hurry a minute ago?"

So I move to the lane to the right and attempt to motor past him at the same speed Ive been going for the last 20mins when he accelerates to prevent me from passing and closes the door to the upcoming traffic.

It was a macho display for sure, and malicious for sure.

So I slow down and slide back in behind him and he slows down, slower than I'm going. When the opportunity presents itself I attempt to pass in the open lane to the right and once Im beside him he accelerates throws on his turn signal a forces me over more right than I wanted.

Now none of this was a center lane passing situation and it was apparent that he was just playing macho games and wanted to show me who was more of a man or something.

A few seconds later he got stuck behind the cars and now I began center lane progress just to get away from him. I threw him the finger and left him in the dust stuck in traffic and way out of sight of my rear views.

What I really wanted to do was switch my courier bag around to the front and pull out the half shell helmet I had in there and toss it through him windshield. But I refrained and left it at that. Hopefully his weenie shrunk a few more inches as I rode away from him.

Scenario 2- White utility pickup, Male Driver solo.

Traffic is moving at about 45 and im doing about 50-55 picking and choosing my way through the cars in a smooth and police friendly manner.
I approach the back right side of the pick up and hangout there for a min or so waiting for the proper time to make the pass.

The driver keeps looking in the rear view and then pulls more to the right to close the door and prevent me from passing all the while looking at me in the mirror and wagging his finger in a parental "no no no!" style.

He thought he could close the gap and prevent me from going and felt the need to be the dictator of the road even though I was courteous and legal.

Obviously he didn't know who he was F#$%ing with and I made my why through the gap and let the finger fly, also leaving him in my wake far behind.

****Now Im not foolish, and I don't do the road rage thing. Nor do I try to get involved in these shenanigans. Most of the time people around here pull off to one side to give you room to pass and I always wave a thank you to them when I do.

Im not scared of cars at all, Ive been knocked off before, several times in fact...I respect them but Im not scared and can dice it up with the best of them. Many years on a bicycle and motorcycle as a courier in places like SF, NYC, Amsterdam and many other cities have made me hyper aware of the intentions of driver even before they know what they are going to do..


My question to you is: Have you guys noticed a notching up in hostilities or stupidity amongst the driving community in recent weeks.
 

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Yup, I thought it was just me. I've noticed some people being real cool, but a few times I have experienced stuff like you're describing. 101 is evil. I think everyone is stressed right now.
 

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I notice this kind of stuff comes and goes. Haven't noticed any sort of ramp up lately.

This video was just the other day near or on Hwy17 here in CA. Driver tries to blame the wrong rider for hitting him.
 

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Well yea, that was a screw up.

I would have just kept going if I was the camera bike, no point in getting involved in that.
 

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That was an amazing video. OP, people get brave when they are in a car. It's amazing, because they would not act like that on a sidewalk. The car gives them a scense of anonymity. I have had people tail gate me so bad, I just pull over. They never stop to chat about whatever it was they did not like about my driving, they just keep on truckin.
 

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my .02...

You shouldn't react with the finger or anything really when on a bike. Get out of the situation and shake it off. Yea you might not see the same jerk again but some other rider will. You're poisoning the well so to speak.

...and you should be afraid of cars, the physics don't favour the bike.
 

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my .02...

You shouldn't react with the finger or anything really when on a bike. Get out of the situation and shake it off. Yea you might not see the same jerk again but some other rider will. You're poisoning the well so to speak.

...and you should be afraid of cars, the physics don't favour the bike.
Spec,
I totally agree with you on not using the finger. Although I will admit that it's really hard not to sometimes, and I might be guilty occasionally. I can't remember doing it recently and that's a good thing.

Not only does it give us a bad name, but it can be dangerous to us as a rider when the driver comes after you. It's been done to me when I was younger and I used to act like a vigilante out there telling and showing all the bad drivers how I felt. I've been chased on foot and by car for flipping people off. That was over 20 years ago. These days you just don't know what the car driver is going to do.

It's better to not escalate things.
 

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my .02...

You shouldn't react with the finger or anything really when on a bike. Get out of the situation and shake it off. Yea you might not see the same jerk again but some other rider will. You're poisoning the well so to speak.

...and you should be afraid of cars, the physics don't favor the bike.
%99.9 percent of the time I don't even let it phase me.
But in these two cases it was so malicious and aggressive twards me that
regardless of who was on the bike these 2 jerks would have acted in a
manner as to endanger and cause harm to the motorcyclist.

Extremely isolated incidents really

I see a lot of motorbikes react with gestures towards the simplest driver mistakes and show
hostility at times when i would have just gone around like water off a ducks back.

However when someone uses a 4000lbs vehicle to assert they're manhood
with malicious intent it becomes a different story.

In both cases I backed off to get space between me an the vehicle and the
drivers slowed to impede and assert themselves akin to someone stepping
in front of you and pushing you back or aside when they had no reason to.

They threw on the brakes in front of me when I backed off and swerved they're
vehicles at me when I was beside them, for no apparent reason but to
intimidate me.

I often pass police cars and ride the center with police motorbikes in the same
manner as I was exercising and have never, NEVER in my life received a
ticket for being unsafe or dangerous. I spent 6 years 10hrs a day 5 days
a week on a moto and never received a ticket. I commute 80mi rt 6 days
a week besides recreational riding.

If I felt for one instance any of this was warranted I am the type of person
that would accept the responsibility and consequences on my actions
without protest.

Like I said, Im not afraid of cars, I have respect for them and what they can do. To be afraid of them
would mean not riding a moto, bicycle or walking across the street. Respect is an awareness of the
nature of things and coexisting. To live your life in constant fear would negate all rational thinking.

Next time somebody tries to intentionally ram you off your bike with ill intent for no apparent reason,
tell me what your reaction is.

Gotta have some serious Zen to not let a few words fly.
 

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Now Im not foolish, and I don't do the road rage thing.
You give cagers the finger in traffic, and you're not foolish, and don't do the road rage thing?

What's wrong with this picture?

Does giving motorists the finger make something of yours grow?

"Not afraid of cars" sounds to me foolhardily quixotic at best, delusionally suicidal at worst. The image of a dog sicced on a railroad locomotive to his death somehow comes to mind.
 

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%99.9 percent of the time I don't even let it phase me.
But in these two cases it was so malicious and aggressive twards me that
regardless of who was on the bike these 2 jerks would have acted in a
manner as to endanger and cause harm to the motorcyclist.

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Sorry wasn't dogging you personally just making a general comment. I haven't been in situations like that so I don't know what my reaction would be. Hopefully I would take my own advice!

Perhaps you should mount a video camera. I'm thinking the police would be inclined to investigate.

Stay safe out there.
 

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I'd a knocked his mirror off the car...
Alas, yet another "US versus THEM," thread; careful and responsible motorcyclists abused by universally stupid/evil automobile drivers . . .

Knocking off a mirror, . . . macho, macho man behavior to some, but--contributing to motorcyclist survival and safety?

What do you hope to achieve by retaliating against motorists, and what do you expect your actions will achieve?

Don't know how many automobile mirrors you've broken off, but wonder at your reaction should someone do the same to your car . . .

From The Washington Post:

Cyclist smashes car window with helmet on Virginia highway

By Martin Weil, Published: June 10

A motorcyclist took off his helmet and banged it against a car window until the glass broke in an incident on a Northern Virginia interstate Friday that state police described as road rage.

The incident began about 8 a.m. amid stop-and-go traffic in the eastbound lanes of Interstate 66 in Prince William County, the police said.

A motorcyle was behind a 2005 Honda when the car braked suddenly, the police said. The motorcyle went around the car, through the space between the Honda and an adjacent vehicle, according to the police account.

The motorcycle sideswiped the Honda on the passenger side, striking a mirror, police said. The car and the motorcycle pulled off the road and onto the shoulder in the Manassas area.

The motorcyclist got off his bike, took off his helmet and went up to the car, police said. As he yelled at the Honda’s driver, he began striking the driver side window with the helmet, according to police. It was struck several times and shattered, police said. Then, they said, the motorcyclist stopped and walked away.

Police said Michael C. Edwards, 36, of Gainesville was taken into custody and charged with reckless driving, destruction of property and misdemeanor assault. They said he was taken to a hospital for treatment of minor cuts on his arm.

Friday was the fourth day of 90-degree heat in parts of the region. “As the temperatures rise, drivers are reminded not to allow their tempers to do the same,” police said in a statement.
Promoting motorcycling safety and survival?
 

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but wonder at your reaction should someone do the same to your car . . .
If I was acting as an asshat toward a rider... I'd expect that and or worse to my truck/car.

The Us against Them does not compute. I'm not trying to make an impression to the world that You, I or other responsable motorcyclists and their actions are high and mighty.

This would be about me being attacked and myself retaliating against the attacker. When a terrioist pulls a big stick, I pull a bigger stick.

You fail to see that this was not some innocient act of not noticing a rider....( if that were the case, TK is in the wrong for not making himself visable... or scarce. take your pick )
 

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From The Washington Post:

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Cyclist smashes car window with helmet on Virginia highway

By Martin Weil, Published: June 10

A motorcyclist took off his helmet and banged it against a car window until the glass broke in an incident on a Northern Virginia interstate Friday that state police described as road rage.

The incident began about 8 a.m. amid stop-and-go traffic in the eastbound lanes of Interstate 66 in Prince William County, the police said.

A motorcyle was behind a 2005 Honda when the car braked suddenly, the police said. The motorcyle went around the car, through the space between the Honda and an adjacent vehicle, according to the police account.

The motorcycle sideswiped the Honda on the passenger side, striking a mirror, police said. The car and the motorcycle pulled off the road and onto the shoulder in the Manassas area.

The motorcyclist got off his bike, took off his helmet and went up to the car, police said. As he yelled at the Honda’s driver, he began striking the driver side window with the helmet, according to police. It was struck several times and shattered, police said. Then, they said, the motorcyclist stopped and walked away.

Police said Michael C. Edwards, 36, of Gainesville was taken into custody and charged with reckless driving, destruction of property and misdemeanor assault. They said he was taken to a hospital for treatment of minor cuts on his arm.

Friday was the fourth day of 90-degree heat in parts of the region. “As the temperatures rise, drivers are reminded not to allow their tempers to do the same,” police said in a statement.

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Promoting motorcycling safety and survival?

Again... Visable or Scace.... But !

We dont know the whole story, was it an act of terror on the Drivers side. Or was the Rider tailgating?
 

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When a terrioist pulls a big stick, I pull a bigger stick.
Like maybe that .357 Magnum in your waistband? Not a jury in the world would convict you, self defense, surely, in the IP incidents.

Although, in the other incident, "Police said [the irate motorcyclist], 36, of Gainesville was taken into custody and charged with reckless driving, destruction of property and misdemeanor assault."

Do what you gotta do. theotherbigjoe; break off the Corvette and white utility truck mirrors, if they won't let you pass; show 'em you've got a bigger stick, teach 'em a lesson.

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I'm outta here; don't want to whine about cager driving behavior, brag about what I've done to provoke motorists and incite road rage, or indulge in violent revenge fantasies about what I WOULD do in a traffic altercations. Anyone who thinks violent retaliation is justified against errant driving is entitled to his opinion.
 

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Like maybe that .357 Magnum in your waistband? Not a jury in the world would convict you, self defense, surely, in the IP incidents.

Although, in the other incident, "Police said [the irate motorcyclist], 36, of Gainesville was taken into custody and charged with reckless driving, destruction of property and misdemeanor assault."

Do what you gotta do. theotherbigjoe; break off the Corvette and white utility truck mirrors, if they won't let you pass; show 'em you've got a bigger stick, teach 'em a lesson.
Oh come on now... Your trying to spin this outta control to prove your point. You do what you do and I'll do what I do.
If you dont like how other people see you as a motorcyclist because of my actions toward an agressor... then maybe this motorcycle gig aint for you.

For the record, I own a 1911. But I'll shoot him with my Bow, if he brings a knife. I'm not ALL gungHo macho..
 

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No really, not an us versus them thread, I drive too.

The finger, maybe heat of the moment but well warranted as I never do this, Id say last time I gave the finger was 15yrs ago.

As far as not being scared of cars, I stand by that, but then you'd have to walk a mile in my shoes to see where I'm coming from. Respect and caution are key though.

Spec-I know you weren't digging on me and your right about what you said.

Really guys, Im 40 years old and all that road rage hostility is in my past, I'm not down for that. On a rare occasion when pushed far enough we all have a fight or flight mechanism. Obviously I chose flight or the story would be more like the helmet toss or a fist fight in the middle of the freeway.

In my early 20s Ive had my share of run in's and have done things Im not proud of.

None the less, the question was whether those within my general area had
similar experiences recently or noticed a trend of drivers being dis-courteous
now more than before.

Maybe I should have just kept it simple.

Either way, I'm over it, I was over it 2mins later.
 

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Full moon tomorrow, but I've been making full moon comments all week regarding an up-swing in nut-job customers and general bad attitudes all around.

Haven't had any traffic issues, but I really don't have much traffic to contend with on my 60 mile daily commute, and I always assume that any Ohio plated vehicles that I encounter are universally operated by the brain-dead so there are never any surprises there...
 

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I don't know if poor/aggressive driving has ramped up or not, but there certainly is a lot of it. Not sure what the cause is, everybody seems so impatient these days, and for the most part common courtesy has gone out the window... I sure hope it gets better before my son starts to drive.
 

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Cagers seem to go in cycles of levels in politeness. lol

Or, it's just how often we happen across each other in transit.
I love blitzing away from knuckleheads whenever possible.
Them seeing me successful is revenge enough for their idiocy
and lack of decency in driving technique. Leaving them trapped
in a pack of other cars is just funny.

The Cheap one
 
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