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Tom Schmitz,
A while back in "Oil Pressure, How Much Ya' Got?", you suggested that you would/did send in a sample! I have not seen it.
I'd like to see it.

So, I'd like to go first.




I will suggest, it looks Excellent considering I have 3000 miles or 1.5 times the Average (1900miles) on this oil. I think I will go to 5000 mile intervals.
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I have a sample to share! It's sitting on my workbench in the Shop of Horrors.

I'll get it sent off...

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What kind of oil do you use Tom??
 

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It would be interesting to Know, How many Samples make up Blackstones 'KLR Universal Averages'?

As I think my first sample impacted the 'Universal Averages' and there may or may not have been any KLR samples between my TWO!
 

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What kind of oil do you use Tom??
For the most part, I use Rotella T 15W-40. It is API SM and JASO MA certified and I usually find it on sale for $11-$12.

I've also used Delo 400 LE, though it doesn't have the JASO MA rating. I've never had a problem with it. I buy that when it's on sale for $11-$12, and Rotella isn't, and I haven't planned well enough to have Rotella on hand.

My oil change interval has been 3,000 miles. I'm willing to extend that based upon an oil analysis.

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Great. I use Rotella too so it would be nice to see your results.
 

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Tom,
I forgot to say, Thank You this AM for your help, again.
So, Thank You my friend!

I did send an e-mail to Blackstone Labs, asking if they might divulge 'how many samples?' might currently make-up Their 'Universal Averages'?

No response by this evening, but I'm certain they will, soon.

Anybody else have any OLD or NEW KLR650 Laboratory oil Analysis reports, which you would care to share?
Running perfect or trying to 'trace a problem', it really doesn't matter, just as long as we Know, there may have been a 'problem' or not, hopefully!
 

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Just got an answer back from Blackstone Labs.


Paul,
You're right! That's an easy one. At this point, we have 30 different
samples in our average file for that engine.

Let us know if you have any more questions!

Have a happy Thanksgiving,
Amanda Callahan
Blackstone Laboratories

At 12:50 PM 11/20/2014, you wrote:
>Good morning to the Blackstone Team,
>I have a reasonably simple question. How many samples make up Your
>'Universal Averages' for the Kawasaki KLR650 motorcycle? If I am allowed
>that info?
>Thank You,
>Paul D. Westman
 

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Come on,
Some Forum members must have an OLD Laboratory oil analysis available?
Or is your 'cheap oil' an Embarrassment?
 

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Maybe I gotta quit whipping Black Betty so hard...



I've got another kit on hand and will pull another sample at 2,000.

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Tom,
The only thing I can say is, "WOW"! The Aluminum and Iron are almost 'off the chart'.
Don't panic, yet!
The silicon seems 'weird', to me. I thought 'silica' was sand. And 'silicon' was a synthetic petroleum product?

The viscosity, Is holding better than my Kawasaki oil, though. Not much consolation tho.

The only RTV silicone on my engine, is 2 little dabs, on the alternator wire grommets.
Thanks for sharing.

ps, What oil DID you use at the change, if I may ask?

Who's Next?
 

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Maybe I gotta quit whipping Black Betty so hard...



I've got another kit on hand and will pull another sample at 2,000.

Tom
I don't understand the 'Insolubles'. 0.4%!
Aren't aluminum, chromium, iron, 'silica' an 'Insoluble'?

The chromium and iron are over Double.
I guess, it's about correct on an average. 0.4%, about double of 'Universal Averages', over-all.
Don't panic. Maybe, change your Brand of oil, Early.
 

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Paul-

It was ridden real hard this time. WOT in third and fourth up every grade and pass encountered in Utah, Wyoming, and Montana. Ran 70-80 everywhere else except Yellowstone, where I sorta observed the speed limit.

Same story running up into the Sierras and into Death Valley. There was a lot of high temps, too - up in the 110 range coming home from Montana.

That was Rotella, and I replaced it with Rotella.

I'm not worried until I see the next one.

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Paul -

I am a newbie at this stuff, so I referred to this to understand: http://www.blackstone-labs.com/report-explanation.php

Apparently, 'insolubles' are from oil oxidization with blow-by gases.

I agree on on the silicon/silica issue, though. On their explanation that lump sealers and airborne grit under "silicon" and that doesn't seem correct. The only explanation I can think of is that, when they do their chemical analysis, silica and silicon look the same (silica is an oxide of silicon, which is an element) to whatever the detection agent is and so they lump them together.

It is easy to confuse silicon with silicone. Silicon is a natural element, while silicone is man-made from silicon and other chemicals. Silicon is used as a semiconductor in microchips and such, and silicone is usually a rubbery substance that is a non-conductor.

Tom
 

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We do have the same riding style. ;)

ps Tom, And thanks for the explanation to all of us about the silicon / silicone / silica, Family Resemblances.
 

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Tom,
Do you have a 'Magnetic' Oil Drain Plug??

I installed a Motion Pro 'Oil Filter magnet' Ring, at the 63,944 mile mark, when I started my 'Project'. First Magnet ever in my engine! Looks like the best place to me. Catches the 'fine stuff', which come thru the oil screen!

I think the first one, (I now own 3) may have picked up ferrous material from 63,944 miles of Previous Useage! The heavy Iron settles to the bottom, before it all drains Out. If we catch the 'fine stuff', the first time, it keeps it from becoming 'Finer'! And ending up 'microscopic', suspended in our Oil Samples.

I could be incorrect, just some of my thoughts.

Eventually, I will install one of my used oil filter magnets onto the Back-End of the oil filter, to maybe catch ferrous material before it goes THRU the cold start By-Pass Valve.

No reason other than $'s, that one couldn't use 3 magnets in our engines.
Drain plug and each end of the oil FILTER! They are Re-Useable, as long as one Remembers to remove, wipe and re-install on New Oil Filter.

ps, 10 Guests viewing. I like to see that!
 

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On an average week, I turn in 40 to 50 oil samples. I am a heavy equipment mechanic and we use these samples to look for trends. One sample in and of itself will not necessarily predict problems. I wish I hadn't deleted my electronic copies of my KLR samples. I rarely run the same brand of oil, so the Rotella comparisons wouldn't be apples to apples. I've had no coolant entry or high wear metals in my samples, which is good! My interval runs 3-5,000 miles. I'm waiting to do the first real oil change since the 685 install and see if anything changed.

WHen you guys do your samples, make sure you let the oil run out of the the drain plug for a couple of seconds before you stick the bottle in the stream and make sure your drain plug area is CLEAN before draining the oil.

I'm curious what Blackstone charges for their analysis.
 

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My sample may have been tainted because I didn't catch the early part of the drain; it was more towards the latter part of the drain. I learned you're supposed to let a wee bit drain out, then shove the bottle under there while the stuff is gushing out all over the place, thereby burning your hand. I waited until the drain slowed down to a "don't burn the crap out of your hand in the hot oil" level.

Live and learn.

Blackstone charges $25.

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I used a clean Glass 16oz 'salsa jar' to capture my 2 different samples.
Less likely to slobber hot oil over my hands trying to hit a small neck sample jar and No Mess on official sample jar. Also gives 'spare sample' if first were to get lost in the mail.
My samples were taken after about the first quart was in the pan, just as Blackstone suggests on their web site. www.blackstone-labs.com

As Tom said $25.00 fee and I remember less than $3.00 for my postage.

Also I like the 'lay-out' of the Blackstone reports. Easy to read and compare to other Blackstone reports.

Tom, I don't think it matters a bit that you may have caught the last 8-16 oz.
 

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Paul -

I do have a magnetic drain plug and it always has a bit of fuzz on it at each oil change. I think that's pretty normal.

I have some ring magnets that I need to check and see if they will fit over the bypass tube.

Tom
 
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