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Sorry for the dumb question. I have always used motorcycle specific oil for my changes. I understand that it does not have some additive or something like that. Anyway, I have noticed that some people use just regular 10w40 car oil. Have I been spending more for no reason (BTW I have been getting Dyno Motorcycle specific oil not synthetic)
 

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Yes you have been spending more than neccesary. Gives some folks a warm fuzzy feeling so it is worth to those folks. I run Shell Rotella T 15-40/ Wally world at 12/13 dollars a gallon. You do want to stay away from energy saving oils. These are generally the lighter oils. 5/30 and 10/30.
 

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Olive and banana oils are fine, if you like the aroma. Other than that, keep in mind that the KLR 650 has a wet clutch. Automobile motor oils these days contain additives, especially friction modifiers that will reduce the life span of a wet clutch. Many motorcycle engines need other additives to aid in reducing wear, like zinc and phosphorous. Car motor oils are lower in these additives because they contaminate the catalytic converters.

Things I don't like to see on my oil containers:





Most 15-40 oils rated for diesel engine use I consider safe for use in my motorcycles.

Telling you which brand to use would be like telling you which person to marry. You pick your own. My bikes run on Shell Rotella T, Mobil Delvac 1300, or Chevron Delo 400, usually available in the oil isle at your nearest China Mart.

And don't forget to ask if Dino is better than synthetic........ :12a:

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My bikes run on Shell Rotella T, Mobil Delvac 1300, or Chevron Delo 400, usually available in the oil isle at your nearest China Mart.
As do my bikes.. I will also run Walmart's Supertech 15w-40 diesel oil, which I've been told is Rotella..


YOU SHOULD RUN whatever you want, but avoid the energy conserving as mentioned. :)
 

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Sorry for the dumb question. I have always used motorcycle specific oil for my changes. I understand that it does not have some additive or something like that. Anyway, I have noticed that some people use just regular 10w40 car oil. Have I been spending more for no reason (BTW I have been getting Dyno Motorcycle specific oil not synthetic)

Probably more info than you want but...

JASO is the Japanese Automotive Standards Organization. They have an oil standards implementation panel that certifies oil for use in motorcycles with a wet clutch. The cert. is MA.

What you want to see on the label is JASO MA. There will be a bunch of other certs. normally (API for one) but as long as the JASO MA is there it's good for a bike.

Rotella T 15-40 is reported to have the JASO MA, I need to look at my jug to verify.

Here's a Wiki on Motor Oil
Here's a link off that one about Motorcycle Oil
Here's a site with everything you would ever want to know about oil: Bob's the Oil Guy and here's a discussion about Rotella T being suitable for a motorcycle.

As far as Walmart Supertech being Rotella T don't know but I remember reading somewhere that Walmart buys through Warren Distribution. Warren buys regionally and probably whatever is lowest price at the time.

So there ya go, more info then you wanted!
 

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As far as Walmart Supertech being Rotella T don't know but I remember reading somewhere that Walmart buys through Warren Distribution. Warren buys regionally and probably whatever is lowest price at the time.
I can't have nothin' nice.. :(

Well, the bikes all shift like it's Rotella.. Most don't like the Chevron Delo 400 as much.. Little more notchy.. Rotella and Supertech shift the same..


And most importantly!!! What you put in your bike is less important than the fact that it gets changed on a regular basis!! :)
 

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My brother-in-law works in a plant where they remanufacture used oil. According to him the Walmart Supertech products are the result of their efforts.
 

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You have to becareful when using oils in a wet clutch bike. Go and ask ANY bike shop.
If your bike has a seprate oil for the motor and trans, (ala Harley, Indian, Royal Enfield) you can use a lot more oils (but, they all recommend desiel oils to take the pressure). But you gotta use corrct oil in the clutch area.
Now, you can use ATF for the clutches, (auto trans have clutch packs same as motorcycles) but ATF won't hold up in my motor part for long, but it will clean up an engine great, ATF has a lot of detergent in it).
A LOT of auto oils have additives to make them slippery-ier, (is that a word? Did I just make it up? Can I get rich when people use it??):50:
This additives can and will get into your clutch fibers make it'll make them slip, slip, burn and generaly make it a nasty day for you. Once in there the fibers are done for good. (From expierence I can tell you that).
Don't let anyone tell you different, just ask a oil saleman or look on a oil web site.
Many Die-sell oils don't contain these additives, (cuz of the extra heat these motors produce), hense why you can use them, but they do contain additives that are not good for your fiber clutches. I've seem what they look like after auto and desiel truck oils have been used, not good.
After 50 years of riding motorcycle and fixing 4 wheel coffins, trucks, and bikes, my advice, (take it for what it's worth), use oil recommended for motorcycles, 4 wheel oil for 4 wheels.
This is an expensive motorcyle, spend the extra $4 on the 2 1/2 qts for the correct oil.
The bike companies don't want you to use motorcycle cuz they have stock in the motorcycle oil companies, it cuz they are designed for motorcycles.
Joe
Would you take the advice from a guy who said it was cool to jump off a roof into a pile of bushes?:49:
 

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If you want to get a group of your favorite riders going for some good conversation, tell them you use and swear by Havoline, no matter what you use as the conversation will get fun quick. I actually use the the cheapest motorcycle specific oil, not that much more and the factory oil filters same there. I am sure they are all good but if they trash your bike you have someone to complain to anyway not that it will do much good but.......I change it often 2-3 thousand miles and the end of the season and start of it. Works for me but it is fun to see how riders get personal about oil for sure. There are a lot of bikes out there with lots of miles on them and they use all kinds of oil. One thing almost all the high mile bikes have in common, they change it more often. So my 2 cents is buy the recommended oil as cheap as you can get it and change it often. No matter how good the oil is if it is trashed out it will cost you. Combustion causes a lot of by products and the filter only removes so much. In the end it is your bike.
 

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And DON'T have this conversation with a Amsoil user!! It's like you're talking dirty about their little sister.. :8:
 

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Thanks for the info everyone. Looks like I will just stick with my bike specific oil since it has a wet clutch
 

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Amsoil.....LOL


Another vote for Rotella 15w-40.

I have no problem with running generic 20w-50 either.

Then again I only have 5 thousand miles n' my clutchpack may
take a dump any mile now. We'll see. I have based my trust
on the many Rotella users here along with their combined
millions of trouble free miles.

Los Cheapos Muchos.
 

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Just confirming all my bottles of Rotella T 15-40 from wally world has JASO MA and also when I looked at the store the synthetic T6 had it too. Being new to the moto world and wrenching in general I am very skeptical of everything I do, triple checking before I do it, and I have full confidence in Rotella T. At 3 bucks a liter I am stoked to find the rating and will use it as long as I can.

Also interesting, when I was reading up on the whole JASO thing just typing in JASO MA and you find all anyone is talking about is Rotella and JASO MA.
 
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