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What do you spend on your noggin ? Yep, Helmets are expensive, and probably over priced in most cases. But, don't fall into the trap of just any dot/snell approved helmet. While approving helmets is a whole other topic, lets just say there are some pretty poor helmets that are approved. I am becoming more aware of some of the trash I see people wearing called a helmet. I know, at least they are wearing something. To me, if you are consious enough to put one on your head, make it worth while. I have been riding since 1973, and have tested a few thru the years involuntarily. I'm not even gonna try and cover all of the helmets I have takin dirt samples with, but there are 3 that come to mind


1979- 3/4 Bell
Lost control of a 750 K1 Honda on Rt 16 in WV. Ended up with various contusions etc... broke the helmet. cracked it actually. At the time it was considered an expensive helmet. There were other cheaper helmets around, but the bell felt good and my head did'nt move around. Probably saved my life.

2008- fulmer Modus One of the cheaper helmets I have ever owned and I payed for it. While riding fast (ATGATT) on some dried red clay roads lost'er and was slammed to the ground. While the helmet absorbed the impact the helmet itself moved around on my head giving me a couple contusions and concussion. It was my first and ONLY modular helmet and was a midrange helmet. I got off lucky



2011- shoei Hornet. full Face. hit the pavement hard. Missed a turn in Rural Ohio slidding into guardrails then flipping/highsiding several more feet down the road. Hit hard enough to crack the inside of my helmet liner as designed. knocked me out and I ended up with a minor concussion. Helmet didn't move around and probably saved my life



Ya, if you're wondering,all three were my fault. Gonna happen when you ride. It's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.

Moral of the story, spend money on your gear. No matter how many times you change bikes, your gear stays with you. Bite the bullet, spend the cash if you wanna go home. Save for it if you have to. This summer there were several deaths of motorcycle wrecks that were not that bad. helmets would have saved their lives. One paticular was a 40 mph laydown. Nothing broken, but died of head trauma. I also wear atgatt. On the last wreck, after sliding down the road for several feet, absolutly no roadrash. If you're gonna go cheap you're gonna pay.


Link to last wreck

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=723890&highlight=kissed+pavement+today
 

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2011- shoei Hornet. full Face. hit the pavement hard. Missed a turn in Rural Ohio slidding into guardrails then flipping/highsiding several more feet down the road. Hit hard enough to crack the inside of my helmet liner as designed. knocked me out and I ended up with a minor concussion. Helmet didn't move around and probably saved my life

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Ya, if you're wondering,all three were my fault. Gonna happen when you ride. It's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.

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Dude slow down. Pushing it on the street is a bad idea.

Plenty of riders have never crashed on the street. Sure stuff happens beyond your control but blowing turns is preventable.
 

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I buy what fits my noggin. While I notice the price, its not really a factor when figuring which manufacturer to buy from because they all seem to be for different sizes and types of heads. HJC fits my head nicely so I stick with HJC. They just happen to be a lower priced helmet (in most cases). Ive tried on some of the better known and more expensive (Shoei, Arai for example) and the shape just doesnt work for me. I bought and tried a Scorpion helmet as well, it fit me well in the store but as I wore it in, it got loose, so back to HJC for me. BTW, the Scorpion was much better quality but it just didnt fit well enough for me to continue using it.
I also wear a modular helmet, thats my little compromise for comfort and ease of use (damn glasses).
On a side note, the number of accidents a person has shouldnt be a source of pride (unless that number is 0) or a right of passage, it means you're doing something wrong.
 

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HA, I'm not blowin my horn or braggin about a right of passage. That's one problem with the internet is it does'nt show or transfer tone. I ride dirt and ride it as fast as I can when that's what I'm doin. Now for street. The wreck in 1979 was attributted to youth and stupidty. The other two not so much. Riding dirt is what it is, dirt,ruts, mud , etc... The last wreck this year wasn't due to speed, it was due to inattention. I'm mearly pointing out what happened. I'm not a speed demon etc. Sice I've been on the road in 75 I have never recieved a ticket of anykind on a motorcycle with the exception of this last one due to property damage (guardrail). I DO NOT use the street/road as a race track. I ride thousands of miles a year. An average year is 20,000 + In the last 5 years I have clocked well over a 100,000. I wasn't trying to come of as an expert or any such thing. Mearly pointing out that what's on the market isn't always what they portray as far as safety standards go. My SOLE concern was to get the point across that no matter how long you ride, at sometime or another, you are going to go down. So please don't try to go as cheap as possible to save a few bucks. Gear is expensive and hard to come by with what they ask for it. But I have a gear fund and add to it regularly. A few bucks here, a few bucks there. I can't afford to go out and buy $500 helmets and $300 pants when I want to. If a person is in the belief that they are not gonna go down, well, I have never,and I mean never,met a rider that hasn't kissed the blacktop or ground at least once in their lifetime,providing they have rode for awhile. Sorry if this sounds like a rant. Just thought maybe a lightbulb might go off or help someone make a decision on gear. And to answer your statement ray h, yes I was doing something wrong on all counts, that's why I crashed :)
 

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I hate hearing about and seeing riders go down. But they're great reminders and critical to keeping us safe. It's interesting to hear someone's reviews on helmets based on their personal experiences. Glad to hear your brain bucket contained the mess.
 

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Everybody's noggin is different, and everybody's choice in helmet is an individual one.

I'm well known for having a head that ain't worth more than about $10, maybe $15 if I'm having a good Swifty day.

For the past few years I've been wearing some pretty inexpensive helmets. A helmet that meets DOT or Snell spec will do what it says it will do. Beyond that it's a matter of comfort, features, and perceived value. After a few inexpensive helmets I got the urge to splurge and buy something that would be more satisfactory from a comfort and features standpoint.

Went down to the helmet store and basically said "Bring me helmets to try on!" and, except for looking out of the thing, kept my eyes closed.

I tried on most of the helmets at least three times, a different one every time. Spent nearly an hour doing it.

There was one model that just fit better than the others each time. I decided that was the one I needed to have, looked at the price, choked, and paid for it. It actually was a helmet that I would not have considered, since it's supposed to be a 'race' (Shoei X12) helmet. I couldn't argue with the comfort level and the fit, though.

Dang, but I hope I'm going to be happy with it for five years...

Tom
 

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Split my first K-Mart helmet in 1979 on a Bultaco Sherpa-T hitting a low branch. Went over the handlebars in 1988 with a woman in a Renault hit my brand (freaking) new 88 FX-SPR with a good shoei that didn't get a scratch (no, I don't know how that happened either but I did replace the helmet anyway). Ride with two Nolans now, one that's too heavy and one I just don't like. Both seem well made enough for now. I've lost a lot of friends (6 and counting) since 1980 on bikes. Some self-eliminated (say Ninja meets semi at 100+) and some were taken out by morons. Only one had a DOT helmet (Ninja guy) on, but at least two would have made it if they'd worn a real helmet. My wife called today because another biker was taken out by a moron. No matter how much insurance I get, she still insists that I wear reasonably good helmets. She must be in a rut.
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Since I started buying my own helmets (not a kid) I have worn HJC. They fit me well. They test well. They are cheap (bonus). Right now I have a Joe Rocket Carbon Fiber helmet, but it is made by HJC. I am not concerned about it's ability to protect me. If I were to buy a more expensive helmet it would be to cut down wind noise, different venting, etc.

Lucky, I've never tested one.
 

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KLRMike: I wanted to mention I have had 4 incidents of gathering asphalt/Alaskan gravel in about 45 years of riding over 250,000 miles of travel. Speed(too much)was a factor in one of the four. As reported in late May, I am fairly certian that the full AFX helmet saved not just my neck&brain, but my life. I agree w/Tom re:fit. I know what I WILL NOT buy when purchasing,but after that it's almost all about fit.:desismiley1:
 

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We are all in different places financially…. I don’t care if you go to “Salvation Armani” (HAHAHA) and get your self a helmet that you can afford… DO IT… and WEAR IT.
 

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We are all in different places financially…. I don’t care if you go to “Salvation Armani” (HAHAHA) and get your self a helmet that you can afford… DO IT… and WEAR IT.
 

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For the street I do tend to always look at the higher end helmets as I generally take the same helmets to the track and if I come off at a high rate of speed I only want the best I can buy.

This thread made me think however that some of my helmets for riding offroad are probrably of lower quality. I might not be doing +100mph on dirt but it does not take much speed for any impact to become serious.
 

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What do you spend on your noggin ?
No correlation exists between the COST of a helmet, and the degree of PROTECTION it provides a wearer.

Motorcyclist magazine demonstrated this absence of correspondence between helmet cost and protection in an extensive series of tests (two articles) some years ago (2005 June & November issues, IIRC).

The most effective (least G-shock transmitted to head) helmet tested was an $ 80-list-price DOT-only headgear.

The big-money helmet advertisers found this truth inconvenient, and the articles' author, Dexter Ford, lost his job. Here's the story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dexterford

Style, fit and finish may be affected by price, but--the evidence appears rather convincing, protection is not.
 

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The twist I got on it was that he was actually fired for an article he wrote for the New York Times, which his editor thought was vindictive and crossed the line. In that article he essentially called the efficacy of the Snell testing into question.

A breakdown of the story is here: http://jalopnik.com/5582380/how-the-truth-about-motorcycle-helmets-got-a-journalist-fired

and the Times article is here:http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/automobiles/27SNELL.html

His editor's comments were alleged to be "Some of our advertisers were upset by Dexter’s article in the New York Times, but none ever threatened to pull their advertising, as they had done over the original helmet test published in Motorcyclist in 2005. My job was never literally threatened, either, though our publishers made it clear they wanted me to “fire” Dexter as he had become a bigger liability than an asset - a sentiment I fully shared.
As a professional moto-journalist since 1986, I firmly believe in separation of “church and state,” and have always told it like it is, never mind the repercussions. I in fact published all of Dexter’s articles about the Snell M2010 helmet standard, including the one subtitled “Snell surrenders, claims victory.” But the one he wrote for the New York Times crossed the line, and was clearly vindictive."

Ford's purported response was "Motorcyclist clearly lets their advertisers dictate not just what they run, and the opinions expressed on their products, but also who their writers are. And even what their writers write for real, world-class papers like the New York Times."

The above was from http://www.mc24.no/article.php?articleID=2484&categoryID=17

It appears to me that Motorcyclist and the editor thereof actually stood behind the orignal article, but thought the NYT article a bit over the top. I don't know why; it seemed straightforward to me.

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The first time I field tested a helmet was 1979 riding a 1978 Rm100. I lowsided in a rut at about 10 mph and smashed my helmeted head sideways on a half buried rock. Without a helmet I would have been killed.
The second time was on a nearly new 1981 RM 125. While practicing for a motocross race I severly endoed on a high speed jump while wearing a Bell Moto III full face. I have no recollection of the crash or how I got home or the previous three weeks before the crash. I recall bits and pieces of the next few days and spent two weeks in hospital. The only reason I am still here today is because I was wearing an excellent helmet and had it STRAPPED ON.
I have raced motocross and stockcars and have been in many wrecks . I have driven and ridden countless miles on both street and dirt. I will never ride without a good Helmet.
Respectfully.......justjeff
 

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The twist I got on it was that he was actually fired for an article he wrote for the New York Times, which his editor thought was vindictive and crossed the line. In that article he essentially called the efficacy of the Snell testing into question.
If that's the case, I stand corrected on the account of Ford's dismissal.

Yet, IIRC, Snell revised its testing procedures after the 2005 articles were published.

Nevertheless, back to the thrust of this thread, scientific testing shows no correlation between helmet cost and degree of protection provided.
 

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Lonerider -

It's a fine point. He got fired for angering advertisers, which dropped Motorcyclist about 47 points in my esteem.

I wish I had a copy of the original article; you don't, perchance?

A helmet that meets DOT or Snell spec will do what it says it will do. There are plenty of helmets that meet one spec or the other, and often both, that don't cost much at all. I believe you are correct about the timing of the Snell change. Hopefully the article had some impact on that.

Two and three helmets ago mine were $79 examples and both were DOT. My last one was $150 and Snell 2005 and DOT certified.

More money buys fit, finish, and features. Not more protection.

I always thought the Bell (IIRC) line of "If you have a $10 head, wear a $10 helmet" was so disingenuous that I quit buying them. The last one I had was a Bell Moto3.

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