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post #1 of 16 Old 03-24-2016, 02:48 PM Thread Starter
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Looking for trail route Grand Canyon and Monument Valley.

We are planning a route around the Grand Canyon and through Monument Valley for late Sept early Oct. To be there at that time riding from Toronto. All I need is the route around the canyon and valley areas. Not the trip there UNLESS there is something good to stop for so to speak.lol.
I had this route nailed down 6 months ago, but have somehow in the last 6 months of computer issues etc etc lost the damned route. So I know it is open for all to see this route because I was given it before, I just can't find it and it is a well known route....except today when I am trying to google it etc etc.
So again does anyone here know of this route or where to get it from. I have tried ADV Rider which I'm almost possitive it came from but still can't locate it. I can plot it myself but this route had special features to it that I'm afraid I'll pass over.
Anyone?
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post #2 of 16 Old 04-01-2016, 12:41 PM
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Hi Jonathan. What type of route were you looking for? Will it be pavement, pavement and some dirt or are you looking for as many dirt trails as you can find? How much time do you have in the area?

I have been around the Canyon many times and can give you some suggestions once I know what type of route you are planning. Monument Valley is Navajo and there are a bit of restrictions there but still very much worth seeing. Either way, you are in for a treat when riding in that area.
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So far there are 2 of us possible 3 and we will be riding heavily loaded KLRs, we are both in the 60 year old age bracket...lol. But we will be riding twin track that isn't total washouts or deep sand etc. I have routed a 400km gravel road or trail route around the north side of the grand canyon from Marble Valley I think it's called to just north of Las Vagas before #167 I think it is starts and we 'll take it and rejoin the highway and ride through down town Las Vagas just to say we have done that...lol. Hopefully at night lol. Then around to #66 then up to Grand Canyon look out where all the tourists hang out at...... then bck to # 89 I think then to Monument Valley and Valley of the Gods, just found that today, yes plenty of indian reservation land I see. It's all over. so we are worried about being allowed to ride to see the sites! Then maybe a ride to Sedona and around the twisties there....as i have done them in a cage, and thought it would be a fantastic ride.

So, what am I missing and wehat do you suggest? I'm all ears and willing to change anything to get the best out of our time which can be up to 5 weeks in total from Toronto, I'm thinking 5-7 days to get there without putting in huge days, but we always semm to ride all day any way and will usually get there early.
Timing is late sept early Oct. I personally do not want it any later as it'll get very cold at our end for the trip home. I do not want to have to carry winter crap when we're going to cook down south so to speak. I will pack a heated vest but other than that it'll be all summer clothing. I will be bringing two neck braces and my knee brace just in case I fall and need either! I carry enough OXy's to kill a horse at all times so pain won't be an issue...lol. I have a neck with 3 herniated discs, a plate and screws and a bum left knee, not forgetting a herniated L4-L5.....so we're in great shape. This is another reason for no hard core trails. My riding partner broke his leg the last time he was there so he's a bit hesitant also...we both wear MX styled boots because of broken legs in the past...lol.
So let me have it....what ya got?
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The Arizona Backcountry Discovery Route runs in that area.

Free GPX route on right hand side here: Arizona Backcountry Discovery Route (AZBDR)
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Willys,
You could contact larryboy and Dave6253 on Adv. I have read some of their amazing ride reports from that area.
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Here is Dave's most current offering as a sample:
http://advrider.com/index.php?thread...alley.1134210/

This is his Grand Canyon trip from 2013:
http://advrider.com/index.php?thread...e-ride.926523/

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Thanks guys.....I'm almost overwhelmed trying to figure out my trusty old NUVI550 and basecamp.....it isn't my area of interest let alone specialty for sure. I hate electronics and planning intricate routes. I'm a guy who types out the name of towns and inputs them as i need....lol. Not plan an entire route to follow which is needed in the desert areas where in Google Earth I can see a spiders web of trails going all over the place and I can see that it would be simple to take the wrong turn and die out there...augh!

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I am being asked by my riding buddy about reservation requirements etc etc etc when on Indian reservations ....as in what are their rules etc and are they a real problem, without starting a war on natives etc.....is it a hot topic? All help is welcomed of course!
Thanks....I read the first two links etc but they don't follow our first draft route, so have dismissed them...lol....but now reading the second one from ADVRider ......from JustJeff....


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My second one is older but more in line with what you are looking for, I think. I would contact dave directly with specific questions. He and larryboy will be glad to help.
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If I remember correctly, Monument Valley - the actual off-paved-road areas are local access only. Tribal members are generally touchy about tourists accessing their lands. I can't remember if the self-driving tour through Monument Valley allows for motorcycle riders, or if you're stuck with a tour. I THINK you can ride the self-driven route.

North of Monument Valley you'll hit Valley of the Gods. That's a BLM scenic route, so it's open. While in the vicinity, hit up Goosenecks of the San Juan State Park and the Moki Dugway.

Depending on your personal desires, you can continue along the road from the top of the Moki Dugway to Natural Bridges National Monument, or go back down the dugway and hit the highway heading north toward Bluff. East of Bluff, there's Hovenweep National Monument, which is quite interesting - 800 year old rock dwellings from the Puebloan Indians, or you could continue north through Monticello to Moab and Canyonlands / Arches National Parks.

Which part of the Grand Canyon are you wanting to hit up - the North Rim or the South Rim? If you're going to the North Rim, take highway 89A to Jacob Lake, Arizona, and from there it's 47 miles down to the North Rim. It's a single in/out road, unless you take some of the dirt roads and exit that way.

When we went, we drove our truck out the Point Sublime dirt road - and there is one section about 100 yards long of nasty sand. It's a single lane, unimproved dirt road, but there are some really good views out that way. There are also paved roads out to Cape Royal and Point Imperial, and there is also a gravel / dirt road out to Roosevelt Point.
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Thanks Acid....I'll be looking at all you have suggested....I will also be after any non closed areas where the locals aren't policing the land in force so to speak.....I fully understand their wished etc but their attitude may be the deciding facter in where or not they get my $$$...!!!! As you say, there has to be other more visitor freindly areas to see similar rock formations. I have seen videos of guys riding through a valley with huge rock spires jutting skyward as they rode past etc, that is what I want to see and be able to do. I just need to find that area.
Again thanks for all your suggestions.....great!

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