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Old 10-26-2017, 08:30 AM
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I'll second that thought about heating the headlight lens. But one really hopes to not need to ride even 5 miles in the dark on a winter expedition like you are planning. Sometimes one has little choice but to soldier on-ward!

Once got snowed-in, in Evanston WY because of having to stop and scrape the ice build-up off of the plastic lenses of a Ford Explorer every 2-3 miles between Park City UT and Evanston WY.
(I still think the Federal DOT or IIHS would/should investigate the issue.)

Counted ourselves lucky that we probably got one of the last smokey motel rooms available. Next morning, I80 looked like one LONG Parking lot!
Got snowed "Iced" in here at the house 2 years ago. Thirteen days of pure torture. We had to survive on Rib-eye steaks covered with buttered mushrooms and loaded baked potatoes. The wife swam in her pool to keep her spirits up. The worst part was house got down to 72 degrees inside! If it wasn't for the food, the pool and the heat, we could have died!
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Old 10-26-2017, 09:16 AM
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What are you riding? Sounds like an extreme challenge. Awesome trip! Go for it.
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Old 10-26-2017, 08:03 PM
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I was at the HOG rally in Ottawa this summer.
This bike was on display for winter riding, outriggers with skis, studded tires, etc.
You may get some ideas off the photos.

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Old 10-27-2017, 07:30 AM
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just another thought.

Have you considered carburetor icing up?
You may wish to fabricate some time of cowling that would draw warmer air from around the engine into the intake.

I have no knowledge if this could be a problem, just a idle thought
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Old 10-28-2017, 11:00 AM
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just another thought.

Have you considered carburetor icing up?
You may wish to fabricate some time of cowling that would draw warmer air from around the engine into the intake.

I have no knowledge if this could be a problem, just a idle thought
It could become a problem. I have used Bic lighter or BBQ lighter on ATV's while plowing snow. (between passes, of course) Hold the flame at the front side of float bowl and heat the pilot mixture screw area.

On a KLR650, one really should install the Thermo-Bob 2 with 195f thermostat, recirculating coolant/radiator bypass assembly. Stock KLRs run way too cold in cool weather. Available at better cycle shops or directly from Wattman. com.

With the Thermo-Bob 2 installed, one might also be able to tap a second fitting into the T-Bob housing and install the carburetor anti-icing plumbing from the Australian/New Zealand KLR's or European KLR-C models. I can't remember if the Canadian C model had the anti-icing plumbing. JJ or klr4evr may be able to answer this.

Other than Brokentooth, has any one ever started a KLR650 at minus 20? Much less, minus 40 on several successive days? One might have to drill the cold start enricher jet to a larger size. And/or use Starting Fluid? Maybe install a #7 spark plug to reduce the chance of fouling.

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I spoke to brokentooth about the starting issue. He liked my idea for the kick-starter in addition to a spare battery as it would reduce the load on the battery during starting. He didn't mention the carb icing over but we didn't discuss carbs much at all.


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Thanks for the pics. I might actually be able to fabricate some skis that attach to the crash cage on the bike.

Bike is a 2017 KLR 650 and by the time of the trip it should have about 16000 miles on it from this past summer and next. Went by a snowmobile dealership today and spoke to a mechanic there and they didn't know anything about improved batteries with higher cold crank amps which has me concerned a bit.

Best thing I could have possibly done is start the planning this early. For every solution I find a new problem pops up. Great news is I'm making progress figuring out my insulation layers so that I shouldn't need electric heating for anything more than supplementary heat when I want it. I'm going to have fur lined muffs for hands that go past elbow and a bib from some wolf pelts to cover front of chest and legs as quasi chaps. Plus I can use it as a sleeping mat if I have to use my tent.

Something that I had not thought of till someone asked me last week was protection from wolves? I have no idea.
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Something that I had not thought of till someone asked me last week was protection from wolves? I have no idea.[/QUOTE]

You are not allowed to bring a handgun into Canada, well you can, but it would be easier meeting the Pope.
I'm not sure the regs on hunting firearms, I know Americans come up here all the time to hunt, but that is for something specific such as Moose or Elk hunting. Bear spray.....you'll probably only piss them off as they hunt in packs. Cougars have no fear of you either.

One other caution if I may. Do not become the hazard on the road for everyone else. I see it every winter up here, people arriving with their all season tires, (new so they must be good) on the SUV, and end up bottlenecking the traffic behind them. Which in turn forces impatient people to take risks passing that vehicle.

We have one rule in Bruce County when you experience a White Out. Don't stop!!! Slow down, yes, but maintain forward momentum, because they guy behind you is counting on you continuing.

Sounds strange, but think about it, if you can't see and do end up off the road, you're going slow and the damage will be minimal to your vehicle. If you get rear ended, the damage and severity of the accident would be less as you are both moving in the same direction, the impact speed would be the delta.
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I spoke to brokentooth about the starting issue. He liked my idea for the kick-starter in addition to a spare battery as it would reduce the load on the battery during starting. He didn't mention the carb icing over but we didn't discuss carbs much at all.


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Thanks for the pics. I might actually be able to fabricate some skis that attach to the crash cage on the bike.

Bike is a 2017 KLR 650 and by the time of the trip it should have about 16000 miles on it from this past summer and next. Went by a snowmobile dealership today and spoke to a mechanic there and they didn't know anything about improved batteries with higher cold crank amps which has me concerned a bit.

Best thing I could have possibly done is start the planning this early. For every solution I find a new problem pops up.
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2008 & newer KLR650's are Not very easily converted to Kick-Start. As internal primary drive/clutch parts have changed 3 times since 1995. The old kits for the old bikes are NLA. Also the ignition system is different, battery dependent instead of CDI.
Read here,
Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About A KLR Kickstarter But Were Afraid (or too smart) To Ask

I have not even attempted to kick-start my 1987 in 30f temps, I think I broke bones in my right foot this spring, kicking with sneakers at 70f. Most snow boots aren't much stiffer.

As to batteries, the standard flooded cell battery (*B14L-A2) has a CCA of about 190-200. The AGM battery (*TX14AHL-BS) has a CCA of about 210. But a flooded cell may have a longer reserve operation.
I thought this third option (Odyssey) was a dry cell, but info says its an AGM. I didn't look for its specs.
Odyssey battery, PC-545; KLR650

Lithium Ion batteries do Not like cold temps and hardly even operate at -20f.

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This thread has got me wanting to watch the movie - Into The Wild again.
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This thread has got me wanting to watch the movie - Into The Wild again.
Kind of reminded me of that too.

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